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Why can't people see that it is stupid to mix at Christmas?

472 replies

MagicSummer · 26/11/2020 18:36

I know that the Government had to relax the rules for the 5-day period because so many people would have broken them anyway, but can people not see that mixing families, travelling and close contact is going to cause another spike in the New Year? It makes me so cross - why can't people just knuckle down and have a quiet Christmas this year without endangering the lives of their older relatives?

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cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:37

@Nicknacky

SheepandCow I feel I have to point out the absolute obvious to you as you seem to struggle, but drink driving is a criminal offence,

Pulling a cracker with you dad is not.

I know it seems similar but it really isn’t.

cantkeepawayforever Yes, that’s an interesting parallel. Not in the slightest bit similar but interesting all the same. If you compare the two then you are an absolute idiot.

To be fair to Sheep, drink driving in living memory was socially acceptable, if not quite 'legal' - in the same way that many Covid restrictions do in fact have a legal basis but are widely considered socially acceptable to ignore.
Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:38

cantkeepawayforever I can’t isolate but I’m doing nothing wrong in seeing my family. They are well aware of my job and that’s their choice.

DesperateHousewife2018 · 26/11/2020 23:39

My first ever post. Because I am in a relationship that isn't validated by Boris' rules. We have been together 4 years and have lived together but both live in separate households at the moment (went home to save the final bit to buy) and have no option to live together at this moment in time. We've spent most of the year without each other and want to spend Christmas together. It isn't just about elderly relatives.

SheepandCow · 26/11/2020 23:39

@Sandyplankton

How can they when the schools won't be closing in time to allow parents of school age children to do so.

I'm pulling mine out early because I'm in a position to do so. Others also in a position to do so could do the same.

The majority can't afford to do that. You might be able to pay the fines but money is tight for many parents.
cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:39

@Nicknacky

cantkeepawayforever I can’t isolate but I’m doing nothing wrong in seeing my family. They are well aware of my job and that’s their choice.
You are very lucky that none of your family is in any way vulnerable, and do not come into contact with anyone vulnerable. Many of us are not so lucky.
Sandyplankton · 26/11/2020 23:39

You might be able to pay the fines but money is tight for many parents.

My LA isn't fining, and in any case my child is under compulsory school age.

Sandyplankton · 26/11/2020 23:40

Frankly even if they were fining, I could easily lie and say they had symptoms and needed to isolate for 14 days.

Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:40

SheepandCow. cantkeepawayforever There is no comparison at all to drink driving and having family for Christmas. Don’t insult our intelligence by suggesting there is. You lose any credibility.

What an insult to people who have lost loved ones to drink driving.

Gooseygoosey12345 · 26/11/2020 23:41

We will be mixing at Christmas. However we'll all be isolating for 2 weeks beforehand and obviously if anyone has symptoms it won't go ahead. You have to consider the impact on people's mental health too. Yes the virus is killing people but so is suicide because of the situation.

Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:41

cantkeepawayforever My dad 66, overweight and diabetic. Does that count?

Unsure33 · 26/11/2020 23:42

They did a poll on tv and it said 80 % won’t mix . So perhaps the message which people are ignoring when convenient has got through . Just because you can does not mean you have to . Personal responsibility. Use your common sense.

cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:42

What an insult to people who have lost loved ones to drink driving.

What do you think those who have lost loved ones to Covid think of the Christmas free for all? Do you think that they might feel somewhat insulted - perhaps particularly relatives of healthcare workers who have died - buy their sacrifices being put at naught in the way that they are?

SheepandCow · 26/11/2020 23:44

@Nicknacky

SheepandCow. cantkeepawayforever There is no comparison at all to drink driving and having family for Christmas. Don’t insult our intelligence by suggesting there is. You lose any credibility.

What an insult to people who have lost loved ones to drink driving.

What an insult to people who have lost loved ones to Covid.

And, what an insult to our doctors and nurses and other healthcare workers.

The British Medical Association has warned against spreading Covid - they've pleaded with people to think of the under pressure traumatised NHS workers. I think we owe it them to do our bit.

Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:44

cantkeepawayforever I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t expect the whole county not to see their loved ones over Christmas. But you would have to ask them.

Unsure33 · 26/11/2020 23:45

Just look at what is happening in America it’s scary and they don’t have such a densely populated society overall .

The cases are increasing every day in their thousands

cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:46

X post @SheepandCow! Sorry!

Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:46

SheepandCow Is covid the only thing that matters to you? You are lucky then. I see death at work all time. Proper tragic, died before their time death. You don’t have a clue what’s going on out there.

cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:47

@Nicknacky

cantkeepawayforever I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t expect the whole county not to see their loved ones over Christmas. But you would have to ask them.
I don't know. How do you think those families whose loved ones were prevented from seeing one another at Eid felt?
Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:49

cantkeepawayforever I have no idea.

dottiedaisee · 26/11/2020 23:49

As a family we are all fairly self sufficient. If we can meet up great but if not, we can all just do our own thing . My mil is 85 and is happy to stay at home .

SheepandCow · 26/11/2020 23:49

@Gooseygoosey12345

We will be mixing at Christmas. However we'll all be isolating for 2 weeks beforehand and obviously if anyone has symptoms it won't go ahead. You have to consider the impact on people's mental health too. Yes the virus is killing people but so is suicide because of the situation.
I agree. We need to consider mental health.

ICU nurses were so traumatised by the first wave that they were sectioned.

And, of course, bereavement is a major trigger for suicidal ideation.

There's also the MH of the millions of vulnerable people and their loved ones. There have been many posts over the months from worried vulnerable people and their family members.

cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:50

@Nicknacky

SheepandCow Is covid the only thing that matters to you? You are lucky then. I see death at work all time. Proper tragic, died before their time death. You don’t have a clue what’s going on out there.
Could you explain the relevance of this?

Yes, of course people die, of all sorts of things, every day. Why is that a reason why we should deliberately choose to spread Covid?

Nicknacky · 26/11/2020 23:52

cantkeepawayforever You don’t see the relevance of suicide?

SheepandCow · 26/11/2020 23:52

@Nicknacky

SheepandCow Is covid the only thing that matters to you? You are lucky then. I see death at work all time. Proper tragic, died before their time death. You don’t have a clue what’s going on out there.
Do you think the doctors and scientists - the experts - at the BMA, the WHO, and SAGE have no clue?
cantkeepawayforever · 26/11/2020 23:52

@Nicknacky

cantkeepawayforever My dad 66, overweight and diabetic. Does that count?
Ah, OK. I hope he stays healthy throughout the winter, 'whether by luck or good judgement', as my mother would say.