Manchester

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Any guesses what tier we might be in....

Tier 3

So depressing as I'm a single parent with no single household to bubble with. I've been very isolated and increasingly depressed.

Fucks sake. How am I supposed to go on? My escape used to be a solitary meal out or a trip to the theatre or cinema. None of those happening with tier 3.

I go to the park, no one will sit near you on a bench (understandable). No one strikes up a conversation anymore. It's heartbreaking

@CutCopyPastedLikeYou That's really shit. Let's keep our fingers crossed eh.

Numbers are appearing to go down but I think we will be in tier 3 and possibly in tier 3 a lot longer than people would like to be unless we can all work together for a short period of time and follow the rules. I know lots of people are but I also know lots of people who partied throughout the main lockdown, currently having friends/family round every weekend so worry that if this is now; what these families will do over the period we can meet people.

Confirmed as tier 3 now. Sky News.

Bbc news confirmed tier 3

Sky news

Full list of Tier 1

Isle of Wight

Cornwall

Isles of Scilly

Full list of Tier 2

Cumbria
Liverpool City Region
Warrington and Cheshire
York
North Yorkshire
Worcestershire
Herefordshire
Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin
Rutland
Northamptonshire
Suffolk
Hertfordshire
Cambridgeshire, including Peterborough
Norfolk
Essex, Thurrock and Southend on Sea
Bedfordshire and Milton Keynes
All 32 boroughs plus the City of London
East Sussex
West Sussex
Brighton and Hove
Surrey
Reading
Wokingham
Bracknell Forest
Windsor and Maidenhead
West Berkshire
Hampshire (except the Isle of Wight), Portsmouth and Southampton
Buckinghamshire
Oxfordshire
South Somerset, Somerset West and Taunton, Mendip and Sedgemoor
Bath and North East Somerset
Dorset
Bournemouth
Christchurch
Poole
Gloucestershire
Wiltshire and Swindon
Devon

Full list of Tier 3

Tees Valley Combined Authority:
Hartlepool
Middlesbrough
Stockton-on-Tees
Redcar and Cleveland
Darlington
Sunderland
South Tyneside
Gateshead
Newcastle upon Tyne
North Tyneside
County Durham
Northumberland
Greater Manchester
Lancashire
Blackpool
Blackburn with Darwen
The Humber
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
Birmingham and Black Country
Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent
Warwickshire, Coventry and Solihull
Derby and Derbyshire
Nottingham and Nottinghamshire
Leicester and Leicestershire
Lincolnshire
Slough (remainder of Berkshire is tier 2: High alert)
Kent and Medway
Bristol
South Gloucestershire
North Somerset

Somewhat surprisingly, pretty much all the city regions except London and Liverpool tier 3. That makes me feel slightly better in that it probably wasn't as simple as trying to pay back Andy Burnham. And although it's probably not going to change soon there will be a lot of pushback from a lot of MPs and councils on this.

I'm so angry. Manchester tier 3 but London in tier 2

Andy Burnham is confident Manchester has a strong case for tier 2 in a fortnight based on what the government are using to make decisions.

There is something highly suspicious about London. I can only assume they don't want London has Fallen plastered all over the press.

Liverpool v Manchester, hardly original but effective.

Of course London has been kept in tier 2 so that Boris and co. Can still go out drinking.

@carolebaskinfedhimtothetigers

Andy Burnham is confident Manchester has a strong case for tier 2 in a fortnight based on what the government are using to make decisions.

If cases continue to fall at the rate they currently are, i think thats right.

But i genuinely don't think Manchester is there yet.

Givem that Manchester complained about being released from the first lockdown too early i think its reasonable to stay in for the time being.

Manchester does look like its following the trend of places that have been downgraded from T3 to T2 but is about 2 weeks behind the curve at this point.

@ShangelaLaqueefaWadley

Of course London has been kept in tier 2 so that Boris and co. Can still go out drinking.

Exactly this

Liverpool and Manchester are quite different - Liverpool isn't a major hub for transport links to other cities, it has a lower population density with fewer people living in tower blocks, a higher proportion of white residents whose cases may have been missed if they weren't as severely ill, and more people (I think) working in the service sector rather than warehouse/factory jobs (so more likely to have been furloughed). Rates in Liverpool dropped very low in the summer while a lot of Manchester's remained quite high. I don't think it has to do with differences in compliance so much as external factors.

And Liverpool complied and therefore and a shed load of rescources thrown at it.

Not sure it's because Boris and Co can keep on drinking ,@ShangelaLaqueefaWadley more like they see London as the hub of industry and the North doesn't matter ,but yes it's infuriating.

When shit hit the fan in Liverpool they agreed to go to tier 3 straight away. I think people got scared that the situation is really bad here and complied. I certainly did.

That’s a good point. Here in gm we had local restrictions forced on us from late July onwards and frankly by the time it came to the autumn it was old news.

Manchester has been in T3 conditions since March, with a couple of weeks when it wasn't. The residents have been really compliant - a lot of the high infection rates were initially centered around student areas or areas of high deprivation & population density, which then caught into the wider population and spread out along commuter routes.

Manchester has not had mass testing to identify and isolate asymptomatic carriers and little funding to support those people who are on zero hours or minimum wage. To compare it to the situation in Liverpool is a bit naïve. It is not that people did not want to Isolate, but they did not know they needed to and were not in a position to do so if they did.

@Sirzy - nothing to do with Liverpool getting more help? Mass testing? Cases in Manchester look far more positive than London

Honestly I'm not surprised, it's just the new normal now and has been since July.

All I do is commute to work (primary school), come home and go food shopping once a week.

We'll probably be in T3 all of winter but just got to get on with it I suppose.

it's just the new normal now and has been since July.

There's nothing normal about this and there never will be.

The mass testing in Liverpool is a bit of a red herring I think - numbers were already going way down there before it was brought in, and it didn't lead to a huge increase in the number of cases discovered, suggesting it may not have made all that much difference (though still worth doing). It probably did help but isn't the main reason for the decline. I think it's more likely that we're comparing the two cities and assuming they'd be similar because they happen to be geographically close together, when actually there are quite relevant differences between them.

Transport links in particular could be a factor - Liverpool city centre has one main line station that's at the end of the line, and very few people from outside the LCR would use it as an interchange. Manchester has three big stations in the city centre that are in the middle of lines running all over the country, as well as the biggest international airport in the UK outside London. Liverpool is quite a bit more isolated from the rest of the country, even if it's not obvious just by looking at a map.

Also a very good point by a PP about Manchester suffering lockdown fatigue as they were in higher restrictions over the summer, although that does lead to the question of why their numbers didn't fall as much in the first place. Whatever is making the difference, I definitely don't buy the idea that it's all down to scousers being super well-behaved and Mancunians not!