Christmas mixing and Tiers

[meow1989]

I know we are all just guessing at the moment, but ..

I get that its likely we are allowed to mix 3 households total over the 5 days, but doesn't that become moot if your area is tier 1? Because in tier 1 you can mix up to 6 households technically (one from each). Do you think they will have the forethought to clarify this ir will it be more interpreting the rules as you go? (Fwiw I will follow whatever the guidance is, I'm not looking for loophole just curious as to how this would work)

I won’t get to see DS2 or DDIL at all over these 5 days because they, like thousands of others will be at work. They’re both nurses, the one day they have off together is Boxing Day and are spending it with DDIL’s parents because that’s where they live, which is 2 hours away from us.

The rest of the time one or both of them are working so where does that leave families like ours?

I’m so fucking pissed off it’s untrue. I’ve seen them twice since February. They’ve worked their arses off and will be there to pick up the pieces when this, inevitably, goes tits up.

I do think they should have marketed this as a "Christmas Bauble" instead of bubble LOL " remember folks, choose your Christmas Bauble wisely!"

Username198 I think what's ridiculous is the Govt undoing all the hard work of the two lockdowns for a five day jamboree in which infections are bound to spread and then we'll see the knock-on effect in January and February. Give Granny Covid for Xmas and then bury her for New Year!

[quote Username198]@Benjispruce2 Not sure my parents would agree to that. Whole thing is ridiculous.[/quote]
I understand that some people going to have some tough decisions make, but it doesn't make the rule ridiculous. What would you suggest instead?

@Longwhiskers14 Well exactly if we can mix over Christmas why are we bothering with restrictions the rest of the year.

Fuck knows! Tbh I was hoping for a day at home in my PJs without visiting relatives 😲

My DM lives alone so we’re her support bubble. These new rules would allow DH’s parents and his brother’s family to join us for dinner. DM says she’s isolated for nearly ten months and isn’t going to risk her life now when she could have the vaccine by Easter, so she isn’t coming for dinner if the in-laws are coming. And she says if we see the in-laws on a different day then we come back home and bubble with her, we’re still putting her at risk. So we’d have to leave DM on her own for a fortnight in order to have one day with the in-laws, which I don’t think is fair. So now DH is going off it because he wants to see his family at Christmas.

@RichardMarxisinnocent It is completely ridiculous. Either the virus is dangerous or it’s not. I have my own personal opinion but regardless of that if it is then why is Christmas any different and if it isn’t then why are we bothering for the rest of the year. There is zero logic involved which I suppose is in line with pretty much every other decision this government has made.

My DP have just called
They are not seeing anyone at Christmas. DF is terminally ill (albeit with a long diagnosis)
Apart from them we have all had Covid

I am in the process of sending Christmas back.

I think what they’re trying to do is damage limitation , I think a large number of people would not observe a Christmas lock down whether it was law or not , so by setting some parameters it might help limit spread . No one is saying covid takes Christmas off

FFS celebrate when we have a vaccine. Protect yourselves and your loved ones at Christmas.

@junglepie I mean I don’t see anyone ever my life totally sucks so think I’m very unlikely to have covid to pass on.

@Racoonworld

It specifically says the bubble must be exclusive. That’s really not hard to understand and cannot be interpreted any differently. It’s very clear, exclusive bubble of three households. No one can see anyone else other than those three. People need to agree bubbles with family.

In theory it's simple and not hard to understand but joe public will not be thinking of the details like us.

Person A only wants to see Person B. ( lets say mum)
Person B also wants to see Person C ( other child) on a different day.

Siblings dont get on and dont see each other and Person C sees person D (mother in law).

Everyone thinks they've only formed a bubble of 2 or 3 but have all broken the guidelines as its not a closed bubble, bit of a random example but sure this will be the sort of thing that happens.

Tbh I think it's a daft idea to pluck the figure of three families out of the air and allow that mixing at Christmas.

However, they've made that decision and I think if you're in a position where there's one person having to be left out of a family lunch, I would say sod it and include them as it's likely to make very little difference. It's not like anyone will be knocking doors Christmas Day asking who's in whose bubble/household.

I think we’ll be just our household for Christmas. Family all live away, parents will be abroad and I think friends we normally spend the Christmas with will have family bubbles, which understandably come first.

I’m hoping we’ll be in tier 2 so we can meet people outside at least.

@meow1989

I believe its like chain links.

So family a can mix with b and c.

B can mix with a and d
C can mix with a and e
D can mix with b and f

And so on.

Where on earth have you plucked this from?

@Sertchgi123

FFS celebrate when we have a vaccine. Protect yourselves and your loved ones at Christmas.

It won’t be xmas when we have a vaccine though. I’m willing to risk myself and il sacrifice my family as they don’t care either 😂

We are tier 1, FIL and partner are tier 3. If he stays with us at Christmas and my parents come round as well (also tier 1) that feels like unnecessary risk tbh. I don’t mind having him down, but realistically that means that we won’t be seeing any of my family as a result, which is a bit annoying. It would have made more sense to say three households within the same tier, don’t travel to a lower tier from a higher one.

Has anyone heard anything about staying in hotels for Christmas? My parents are in their 80s and no longer fit and able to host, and our house is unsafe for them, upstairs bedrooms and only bathroom downstairs and my mum can't manage the stairs. We had planned to stay in a hotel doing a 2 night Christmas package so we could be with them, but nothing I've heard so far gives an indication of whether or not that will be possible.

@Chelsea567

I don't care what the government says. I'm not exposing my 88 year old parents to me ( a supermarket worker) or my DD ( a student) for the sake of a Christmas dinner. What did you give Granny for Christmas? COVID-19 Not worth it. I'm waiting til they're vaccinated. I appreciate the government giving people the choice but just because they've said we could- doesn't mean you should. It hasn't suddenly become safe because BoJo says you can forget restrictions for 5 days. The virus doesn't know it's Christmas

^^ this.

It won’t be xmas when we have a vaccine though. I’m willing to risk myself and il sacrifice my family as they don’t care either

Oh well, you and your family might not be here to see the virus.

Jeez you've all made this so complicated

*vaccine

@namechangefail2020

Jeez you've all made this so complicated

MN. The only place where people can fill 20 pages with whinges about how Bojo hasn’t taken their personal family circumstances into account.

We will just have DS round as usual, he’s probably relieved it’s a maximum of five days for visiting.