Christmas mixing and Tiers

[meow1989]

I know we are all just guessing at the moment, but ..

I get that its likely we are allowed to mix 3 households total over the 5 days, but doesn't that become moot if your area is tier 1? Because in tier 1 you can mix up to 6 households technically (one from each). Do you think they will have the forethought to clarify this ir will it be more interpreting the rules as you go? (Fwiw I will follow whatever the guidance is, I'm not looking for loophole just curious as to how this would work)

@Longwhiskers14

Dizzy1804 What about people who are asymptomatic? You can catch Covid from people who are have it but don't show symptoms.

But you crack on and we'll see you back here in Jan when we're all in another bloody strict lockdown because people like you don't give a shit about stopping the spread.

This disease kills but the cure (endless lockdown) is worse than the disease. If we had had no lockdown, maybe another 20,000 people might have died of COVID. But because of lockdown: (1) 20,000 people (at least) have died of preventable diseases through being too scared to go into hospital; (2) 20,000 people (at least) have died because their scheduled treatments were cancelled as the NHS cleared the decks for COVID; (3) 2 million people in the UK alone lost their jobs; if only 1% of those killed themselves because they couldn't meet their bills, that's another 20,000 dead.

Your "cure" is worse than the disease, the only solution is to end the "cure". And people like you who promote this evil lockdown need to be given deserts when it is shown that it killed more people than it saved.

Dizzy1804 you do realise you can have covid and infect others without having any symptoms, don't you?

Our Xmas plans include 2 students aged 19 and 21 and my parents in their 80s.

We are taking precautions to ensure that the youngsters don't unwittingly infect their grandparents.

Yawn

It specifically says the bubble must be exclusive. That’s really not hard to understand and cannot be interpreted any differently. It’s very clear, exclusive bubble of three households. No one can see anyone else other than those three. People need to agree bubbles with family.

I see there are new regulations about allowing Christmas trees to be sold

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1326/contents/made

@Dizzy1804

Citation needed.

I'd rather they just told us to stay at home apart from anyone in a single person household. It creates more issues than it solves and for us it means it isn't worth seeing anyone.

Except it can be very hard to work out in younger people who does have it. DS is 19 and was shown to have Covid by an asymptomatic test that his university carried out. He had no symptoms at all. Lucky for him - not so lucky if he had passed it on to his grandparents.

Nobody - almost literally nobody - under 70 is dying from this. For anyone under 50 they are largely asymptomatic. That those of us under 70 should be getting back to normal - shield the over 70s - is a no brainer.

Username198 Sorry, didn't realise you meant you lived with your parents Then yes, you and your parents would be one household, your brother and his girlfriend the second, and then the third household in the bubble is her parents.

This is going to cause so much friction and bad feeling between family members. I’m dreading it. The pressure to rule break or piss people off. Just cancel the whole bloody thing is how I’m feeling just now.

@Dizzy1804 what you say is not quite right.

Yes, thousands of people had their treatment or diagnosis delayed. This was down the the NHS not sectioning off areas where people could attend and still have their tests or treatment.

The 'good old NHS' also took control of all private hospitals- which meant people using those couldn't- BUT they were never used to Covid cases and stood empty for months.

This was nothing to do with the numbers of Covid cases and the Nightingale centres were never used either.

The whole thing was shambolic.

So all the extra deaths and undiagnosed cancer during this year is not down to what you say, it's down to terrible planning and under-use of facilities that were available.

@Benjispruce2 No would only be 2 households so he can just seems unfair I can’t my friend because my brother is seeing his in-laws.

Dizzy1804 Most people on this thread are probably talking about relatives over 70. It's about bringing households together without increasing risk to elderly relatives.

Username198 Presumably your friend will be in their own bubble though? You'd have to consider who they were meeting up with.

Who cares? Just stay at home with your own and let everyone else do the same.

If you are on your own, get up when you feel like it, eat what you want and cosy up with the television. Then it's all over until next year.

Right so tell him to Christmas with her family .

@Longwhiskers14 He lives with his parents so one household and v small family so no siblings, grandparents etc.

[quote Username198]@Benjispruce2 No would only be 2 households so he can just seems unfair I can’t my friend because my brother is seeing his in-laws.[/quote]
It is hard, and I can see why you fele it is unfair. But you will need to discuss with your brother and come to an agreement. The whole point of a colsed bubble of 3 is to limit the potential trasnmission which will naturally increase due to these measures anyway. Say for example you happened to have COVID but didnot yet know. You meet with your brother on XMas day, he becomes infected. He then sees his girlfreinds parents and infects them. That is 2 poeple you have infected, but with a closed bubble it stops there. If you then go on to see your friend as well that is 3 people infected, and if your friend goes on to see her friend.....etc....

Dizzt1804 I take it you haven't come across anyone who has long Covid or has lost their lives to it. I know more than one of both and it's not worth the risk if you genuinely care/love those you care about.

What @newstart20 said, this is causing a huge amount of issues for us. Pil are ignoring the rules entirely where family are concerned 😟

[quote Username198]@Longwhiskers14 No we would be 2 households so he (and his girlfriend) can see her parents. Just seems unfair I then couldn’t see a third household myself.[/quote]
I think you probably need to have a discussion with everyone involved to decide what to do. If his girlfriend's parents are in a bubble with you they also can't see anyone else ‐ would they be OK with that?

@Benjispruce2 Not sure my parents would agree to that. Whole thing is ridiculous.

Can these bubbles stay overnight? Or is it just a daytime visit?

"For anyone under 50 they are largely asymptomatic."

Sorry but this is bullshit. One third of staff at my workplace were infected. Most are under 50 and some people in their 30's could hardly get out of bed for weeks, some people have been off for over a month and some staff around 30 are being sent home early as part of phased return. Most people I speak to are suffering from fatigue weeks later.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-a-christmas-bubble-with-friends-and-family/making-a-christmas-bubble-with-friends-and-family