Christmas mixing and Tiers

[meow1989]

I know we are all just guessing at the moment, but ..

I get that its likely we are allowed to mix 3 households total over the 5 days, but doesn't that become moot if your area is tier 1? Because in tier 1 you can mix up to 6 households technically (one from each). Do you think they will have the forethought to clarify this ir will it be more interpreting the rules as you go? (Fwiw I will follow whatever the guidance is, I'm not looking for loophole just curious as to how this would work)

no its 3 housegholds total not differnt days differnt households

If there’s no tiers for those 5 days will restaurants and pubs be allowed to open?

We won't see anybody. Too risky with two kids in school.

I would choose to have no relaxing of restrictions as I honestly don’t see that it will make people happy unless rules are broken a bit.

In fact I will probably opt out of meeting anyone to avoid the possibility of upsetting anyone.

With regards to people being on their own I was thinking of the people who don’t have family members or people who aren’t comfortable with the risk. I imagine they would have felt less sad if everyone was in the same position of being alone sad though that would be.

We have already decided to stay home. If I haven't got it now ( I am feeling like crap and waiting for a test) I certainly don't want to pass it on to my type1 diabetic daughter or my dad who has COPD and mum who has dementia. Mum and dad have formed a bubble with a single lady in the village so she will be with them which makes me happier. My DD has her baby and her husband so they will be happy too.

I do not want the 23-27th. Due to schools finishing within a week of 23rd I would much prefer 24-28th or even 25-30th. No idea why if I visit my parents and stay 5 days, the 6th day is dangerous. I have no plans on being in a bubble of 3, as concerned about even seeing one set of parents, but am so frustrated by having set days.

To the poster who asked about support bubbles already in place. They count as 1 household.
So as an example:

Family A and B (support bubble) could have family C and D over for 5 days. No mixing with anyone else.

Op, your parents can't see you and your sister too if you are also seeing your in laws. It is 3 fixed households. Sorry :(

What happens with existing bubbles? So me and DP live alone and are one support bubble household, or would we become two separate ones under this rule?

It’s 3 households, a, b and c see mixing over 5 days.

OP raises an interesting point about Tier 1 though.

I live in what is very likely to be a Tier 1 area (very low stable cases and loads of hospital beds) so should be able to see 5 other people at a time indoors - a different 5 people several times a day so long as no more than 6 at a time. I wouldn't actually do this by the way, I rarely leave my house and hate visitors

However, I had planned to see various friends and family over the Christmas period as I live alone. Looks like I won't be able to do that now? Ot have I misunderstood?

I will obey the rules to the letter - not looking for loopholes.

Ah cross posted. Glad we still count as one!

Support bubbles are 1household.

@cracracatlady

If there’s no tiers for those 5 days will restaurants and pubs be allowed to open?

Tierscdo still apply

I think nobody will be tier 1.

Tiers will still apply except for allowing the extended bubble in your own home. So, if pubs/hotels/restaurants are closed because you're in tier 3 they are still closed.

It's not really complicated, once again the rules are quite straightforward, the complex bit is making the choices for each set of people. Sadly no rules can make it easy to choose between uncle John unlikely to see next Christmas and aunty aida going mad with loneliness. There will be hard choices. I just hope people are sensible.

Our choice isn't ideal by any means but isn't as tough as for some people, I really feel for people making those decisions.

Are pubs still going to be open and the rule of 6 as well as the bubbles? So could I bubble up with my parents but they continue to meet 4 friends at a time in the pub?

sandragreen My understanding is restrictions regarding meeting up will be suspended for the five days, so the Tier 1 rule of six no won't apply during that time period, it will just be the single bubble of three households.

So I’ve interpreted it as: we can see my parents and DH daughter on separate days as our bubble of 3. Parents and DH daughter can then have 1 other in their bubble to make 3?? If we had them on the same day we would all be the same 3?? Is this right?

I think even on this thread it shows it’s confusing as we have had

1. People can mix within the 3 households only fullstop
2. People can mix so A,B & C mix then B,D & E then A,F & G

When do the tiers get announced?

Thursday

[quote meow1989]@roominmyhouse I get that, totally. And I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand: my bubble would be my parents on Xmas day, then my in laws on boxing day. So, as my parents and inlaws aren't mixing, could my parents see my sister the day after, having only seen 1 other household (mine)?[/quote]
No I don't think so.

You can have 3 families together, but each of those families has to not mix with anyone else.

If you only have 2 families together I don't think that means the '3rd family' who see you on another day can also meet other people as well as you.

@Chelsea567

I don't care what the government says. I'm not exposing my 88 year old parents to me ( a supermarket worker) or my DD ( a student) for the sake of a Christmas dinner. What did you give Granny for Christmas? COVID-19 Not worth it. I'm waiting til they're vaccinated. I appreciate the government giving people the choice but just because they've said we could- doesn't mean you should. It hasn't suddenly become safe because BoJo says you can forget restrictions for 5 days. The virus doesn't know it's Christmas

100% this! I will not entertain the risk that my kids (who are at school and uni) give their grandparents Covid. Just not worth the risk - regardless of what the grandparents want to do. It is not just their decision.

@lifeispassingby thats what I thought but it appears I was wrong based on replied to this thread

BBC said a Christmas bubble of 3 households to meet only with each other for 5 days.