SIL positive but hasn’t been anywhere

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My sister in law tested positive for COVID yesterday but lives alone. She has only been to the supermarket and out for walks alone in the past few weeks. Trying to work out how on earth str could have caught it! We did see her about ten days ago but we are a family of five and none of us have had any symptoms. We have also been in school/seen other family members who are older and none of them have symptoms. I would have thought if it was us, someone somewhere would have had symptoms from our wider circle. How on earth could she have caught it at a supermarket or on a walk?

So wiping down shopping and mask-wearing are perfectly acceptable now? Odd, because those of us who have been doing these things for months have been mocked elsewhere.

My Polish hairdresser's mum who apparently went nowhere apart from shops (supermarket) caught it. I think supermarket is a big contaminated area.

Pity as I tend to go to Sainsburys if only to get out of the house.

Your mentioning she has communal entrances reminded me of this article about a woman in China
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/woman-china-infects-71-lift-elevator-coronavirus-a4496996.html%3famp

My guess is that she has encountered or passed through the same space as superspreader who is shedding lots of the virus. Perhaps someone in her building got in the door and had a coughing fit before going into their flat. Along comes SIL and unknowingly walks through a haze of the virus.

It’ll probably be the supermarket. I caught it and had only done a shop that week. Think of how many people touch products, put their hand on something then decide they don’t need it. She could have been around someone with no symptoms.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

So wiping down shopping and mask-wearing are perfectly acceptable now? Odd, because those of us who have been doing these things for months have been mocked elsewhere.

Been doing both for months now even with online supermarket delivery.

We've had quite a few family and friends who live alone contract covid, who insisted they didn't see anyone, but in reality when they traced back they were in contact with someone, she needs to think back to whom she was in contact with, because she may have passed it to someone herself.

Yes, of course she can get it in the supermarket, there are thousands of cases traced back to supermarkets, does she wear a mask the whole time there?

She was in contact with your family, there are cases where one member of families contract covid and not the others, one of you could have had no symptoms and passed it on. Again, there are loads of people waking around with covid spreading it and not knowing, this is why they want people to social distance and not be in other homes. As one top disease expert says, "treat everyone like they have covid", that way you are more carful.

Are you isolating now she has a positive result?
Hope she is ok.

WHY are you still shocked, OP? I was in the supermarket 2 days ago and noticed just how many times people (including me) pick up items to read labels and then put them back. Given some scientists are reporting that the virus can remain on surfaces for days, WHY are you shocked, OP?

@musicposy

I’ve just had the most horrible stomach bug with a splitting headache and temperature, which I’m still waiting to hear whether it’s Covid. DD now has it.

The ONLY place I’ve been is dog walking. We’ve had a supermarket delivery, but other than that we’ve completely isolated, followed the rules to the letter, and I always wash my hands really thoroughly after coming in from the dog walks. How on earth I’ve caught anything is totally beyond me.

I’m guessing you can just be unlucky.

Is your DD at nursery/school?

Have you bought petrol?

Failing that, I guess supermarket delivery. I'm still distancing from the driver & quarantining or washing my shopping. But it's not fool proof (obviously).

Let us know when
You get your results! Hopefully negative!!

My friend's dd took part in a test group of 20 teenagers, none with symptoms. 9 came back positive.

Same is true of many viruses. Flu for example? 75% of people will have no symptoms. You're more likely to have it and not know.

Been doing both for months now even with online supermarket delivery

Sensible!

not everyone wears masks theyre also not 100 percent virus proof-all it takes is one person near her to pass it on

also just because you have no symptoms doesnt mean your not carrying the virus

@musicposy

The ONLY place I’ve been is dog walking. We’ve had a supermarket delivery, but other than that we’ve completely isolated, followed the rules to the letter, and I always wash my hands really thoroughly after coming in from the dog walks. How on earth I’ve caught anything is totally beyond me.

Beyond you?!

"Previous laboratory tests have found that SARS-Cov-2 can survive for two to three days on bank notes and glass, and up to six days on plastic and stainless steel, although results vary."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673

A couple of weeks ago I was shopping in a supermarket, walked past another shopper. She started coughing and spluttering, moved her mask way from her face presumably in order to cough more freely. Finished coughing and then put her mask back on!
No idea how people catch Covid in supermarkets 🤷‍♀️

Wearing masks, socially distancing, meeting only in support bubbles, washing hands reduces infections. It doesn’t eliminate infections It just decreases the risk.
Why don’t people understand this?

Your thread title makes it sound like she hasn't left the house. It's quite easy to see how she could catch it in the supermarket or around family. An old school friend I have on Fb has been posting that she has covid. I saw her in asda two days ago and I know for a fact she hadn't finished her 10 days. It was early in the morning so she must have thought nobody would be in. I bet loads of people do stupid stuff like that!

I'm just waiting for the 'day you wash your shopping' as so many people here are mentioning plastic packaging on shopping . Yet months ago MN was full of posters saying anyone who washed their chopping was bonkers.

It's always been known that the virus can live on plastic for days.

Why risk putting that in your fridge? (It lives longer in cold temps too.)

OP as everyone says, children can have the virus and show no signs.
This has been known for AGES, so surely as a teacher you know this?

It would have been more sensible for you to see your SIL yourself, ideally outside, and leave the kids at home.

Touching doors etc in her communal flat- well , wasn't she washing her hands after touching them and cleaning her own door handles etc etc?

You do seem a bit in denial about how it's more likely to have come from your kids.

I saw her in asda two days ago and I know for a fact she hadn't finished her 10 days.

Isn't it 14 days isolation?

Our local pub has just had a huge outbreak after shutting down for lockdown, they were following all the rules but guess what the barmaid was the first to test positive. I had been in a couple of weeks before lockdown and watched her constantly adjusting her mask every few seconds while washing glasses and serving drinks. She may well have picked it up from a customer but has passed it on to most of the people drinking in there the night before lockdown.
Mask wearing protects no one when you don’t observe strict cross infection control. As a health care professional it does not surprise me that increased mask wearing would increase spread. Before covid we had to change masks between patients, years of studies show that they provide very little protection after a few minutes and touching your mask during a procedure contaminates your hands/gloves so you need to change both mask and gloves before proceeding.
Now we have to wear mask continuously in all areas and due to shortages we can’t change them as frequently. Before covid all PPE had to be removed before leaving a clinical room so that any contaminant pick up on the mask couldn’t be transfer to another area.
It’s so counterintuitive to keep a mask on in the work place after years of following protocol.
You can’t mandate mask wearing without adequate education. Visors would probably stop more spread because they physically discourage you from touching your face.
Masks make people careless about hand washing and social distancing. The assumption that mask wearing protects the wearer is so widespread they really are pointless. Without a mask you feel vulnerable and keep your distance.
I know a number of people who have tested positive recently all health care professionals. They all admit to have been much more relaxed about infection control outside of work despite maintaining strict PPE use at work. They can all trace infection back to social contact and not a contact through work.

2 in 10 people are catching Covid from Supermarkets it is one of the more common places for people to catch it.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/supermarket-shopper-rules-asda-tesco-19311883

I had been in a couple of weeks before lockdown and watched her constantly adjusting her mask every few seconds while washing glasses and serving drinks. She may well have picked it up from a customer but has passed it on to most of the people drinking in there the night before lockdown.
Mask wearing protects no one when you don’t observe strict cross infection control.

She was only adjusting her mask! She's only human @Angrymum22

@switswooo

I saw her in asda two days ago and I know for a fact she hadn't finished her 10 days.

Isn't it 14 days isolation?

No. Its 14 days if you are a close contact. 10 days if you are the one who has covid

1. Meeting others safely

In general, you must not meet with another person socially or undertake any activities with another person. However, you can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.

You should minimise time spent outside your home. When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble. Where this is not possible, stay 1 metre apart with extra precautions (e.g. wearing a face covering).

You must not meet socially indoors with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble.

A support bubble is where a household with one adult joins with another household. Households in that support bubble can still visit each other, stay overnight in each other’s households, and visit outdoor public places together.

You can exercise or visit a public outdoor space:

by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble
or, when on your own, 1 person from another household
Children under 5, and up to two carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the outdoors gatherings limit.

There is further guidance on what exercise and other physical activity can continue during the period of national restrictions.

Public outdoor places include:

neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and the countryside
public gardens and grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them)
allotments
outdoor playgrounds
You cannot meet people in a private garden, unless you live with them or have formed a support bubble with them.

Im not sure re support bubble as it says 1 adult with one other adult (with kids) but maybe at some point it included couples??

But anyway by the details you are saying and not calling it your support bubble then it looks like you shouldnt have been meeting indoors during lockdown in england.

Though i get what you are saying that your family has so much contact and yet havent had it /no symptoms and yet someone has caught it with so little contact.

One school found about 30 asymptomatic kids. And also they have d&v or other non 3main symptoms sore throat or headache. Have the kids been ill at all?

Likely you.

And as others have said, if you are her support bubble you should all be isolating too.