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Concerns about vaccine.

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DigitalChristmas · 15/11/2020 14:25

I wouldn’t classify myself as an anti vaxxer in the sense that all DC are fully up to date with their vaccines but I’m strongly considering whether or not to for the DC or I to have the covid vaccine. I feel it’s been so rushed that the potential side effects/long term health effects have not been fully evaluated. Does anyone else feel this way?

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theThreeofWeevils · 15/11/2020 14:35

It's not going to be offered to your children for the foreseeable future, so worrying about that now is a bit pointless.

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DigitalChristmas · 15/11/2020 14:37

@theThreeofWeevils

It's not going to be offered to your children for the foreseeable future, so worrying about that now is a bit pointless.
Fair point.
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LindaEllen · 15/11/2020 14:38

It makes me nervous that we don't know long term side effects. But it will be a long time before my age group is offered it anyway.

If it has to be a yearly jab I actually suspect non vulnerable age groups WON'T be offered it as they'll need to focus on the next round before they get round to everyone else.

TheSunIsStillShining · 15/11/2020 15:14
  1. depends on who the manufacturer is. Russian/chinese I wouldn't bet on those.
  1. depends on what type the vaccine is. If it's the bog standard then the trials should cover all safety issues. On the other hand I am a bit hmmm-hmmmm with the mRNA as it's totally new technology.
  1. how transparent is the information provided
  1. how transparent are the study parameter and what do other medical researchers say about that being sturdy enough.
  1. Were they tested on people with existing conditions. Specifically interested in mine obviously.
Cornettoninja · 15/11/2020 15:17

The testing of the vaccines haven’t been rushed - the bit that’s been speeded up is the funding, suitably exposed participants and regulatory body reviews. The actual development and testing bit is entirely within normal boundaries.

Undeniably, long term (years/decades) consequences aren’t known but how long term do you consider to be acceptable? We also don’t know the long term consequences of a covid infection so that’s a balance that you’d need to weigh up. I’m not sure many vaccines are studied for years looking for long term consequences before making available tbh.

MoirasRoses · 15/11/2020 15:37

It’s not been tested on kids, so no need to worry about that bit right now.

Frankly, I’ll take it. Life isn’t without risk, I trust the scientists & actually, if you properly read about these vaccine developments (which I have extensively on maternity leave), they aren’t ‘rushed’ , rather billions has been thrown at them to find the necessary resources, remove red tape, work closely with people round the world. All other work has been stopped. It’s all these labs are doing. Plus COVID infection is rife in the community and therefore vaccines easily tested. All of this is really unusual & not the norm. Many of these vaccines are already developed ones that that they are adapting (not all, some are new).

So I’ll take my chances. Life is SO shit. If it means I can hug my mum, spend time with my lovely friends & family, take my DD’s to softplay & swimming & their sports classes. To send them to school without the risk of bloody isolation and the disruption to their education .. the day that can happen, I’ll sob in relief.

doireallyneedaname · 15/11/2020 15:38

For crying out loud. Most of the vaccines we have have not been tested to the same length as the average lifespan, yet we have those. How do you know they won’t give you problems later in life at 70?

I’m not sure about the Pfizer one because they’ve been involved in several lawsuits regarding fraud, but I trust Oxford.

Trust the science.

Bvop · 15/11/2020 15:44

Annual flu jabs are developed over a few months every year, based on the strain or strains that look to be prevalent. The pharmaceutical companies have shifted huge amounts of resource onto this, and are going through all the steps they usually do, but as fast as they can.

I have made sure I understand the science. As a result I will happily take the vaccine and get my children to take it, and my mum. I wouldn’t take my chances with Covid, even for the kids, as 10% of cases show changes to the heart afterwards. These might be short-lived, but this is where I worry about what might happen 40 or 50 years later: we don’t yet know the long term consequences of Covid and they look to be quite serious for a proportion of people who get infected.

Forgetmenot157 · 15/11/2020 15:49

I think the crazy thing is that most people including myself will you hubdt ds of different types of syrums, moisturisers, face masks, etc etc etc on our skins being told that in 30 years it will stop wrinkles and make us look younger etc... Very few of us will check any of the ingredients for these things to see what side effects they could cause.

Yet with this vaccine there are so many people now questioning the science yet people will happily use the products mentioned qbov just in the hope that in 20 years time they will look younger! Do we really think These products are tested for 10 years befor being released?

I know its hard to compare them but the premise is the same!

SOboredofcleaning · 15/11/2020 15:51

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DigitalChristmas · 15/11/2020 15:55

@SOboredofcleaning

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It’s perfectly valid to raise a genuine concern
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Torvean32 · 15/11/2020 16:01

I doubt children will get it as the vaccine is unlikely to have been tested on under 18s.

Thousands of ppl have volunteered to have the vaccine tested i them so hopefully less ppl will die and society can go back to normal.

For those who dont take it you may find restrictions put on your life eg job refusal, air travel, refual to enter a coyntry, refual of entry to events.

We need a big uptake in the vaccine.

Porcupineinwaiting · 15/11/2020 16:15

If you dont want it dont have it and live with the consequences. It's not mandatory and I'm sure someone else will be glad of your dose. Hmm

DobbyTheHouseElk · 15/11/2020 16:18

It’s an American company with European manufacturers in Belgium.

Inkpaperstars · 15/11/2020 16:21

I wouldn't think about it re the dc, not on the horizon as an option.

For the rest, I am no expert but apparently vaccines don't tend to have long term side effects...or even medium term as in 6 months to a year. Any problems tend to occur quickly. So the problem with the trials is not so much time as size...if a side effect only occurs in 1 in 100,000 people the trial group won't necessarily find it out as they aren't that big. It would come to light fairly soon though with a roll out as big as this, and by definition it will be a rare side effect.

Inkpaperstars · 15/11/2020 16:23

@TheSunIsStillShining

1. depends on who the manufacturer is. Russian/chinese I wouldn't bet on those.
  1. depends on what type the vaccine is. If it's the bog standard then the trials should cover all safety issues. On the other hand I am a bit hmmm-hmmmm with the mRNA as it's totally new technology.
  1. how transparent is the information provided
  1. how transparent are the study parameter and what do other medical researchers say about that being sturdy enough.
  1. Were they tested on people with existing conditions. Specifically interested in mine obviously.
Good questions and agree I wouldn't have a Russian/Chinese vsccine.
FippertyGibbett · 15/11/2020 16:26

No.
Don’t have it if you don’t want it.

1940s · 15/11/2020 16:46

I won't be getting it and I won't let my children either. I'd rather the risk of Covid as the survival rates are so high

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DigitalChristmas · 15/11/2020 16:54

@1940s

I won't be getting it and I won't let my children either. I'd rather the risk of Covid as the survival rates are so high
If I may ask, have your DC been vaccinated for other illnesses/diseases?
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Babdoc · 15/11/2020 17:07

1940s, it’s not just about surviving Covid. Would you like to spend the rest of your life severely breathless and struggling with fatigue?
Long Covid is horribly life limiting - I was previously completely fit, but now nearly eight months after being hospitalised with Covid, I am still breathless at 100 yards. There has been no improvement in that, and it now seems it will be permanent. There were 60,000 long tail Covid cases from the first wave alone - there will be many more now. The government estimates up to 500,000 - they’re rolling out long Covid clinics all over the UK to try and support patients. Please take the vaccine when it is offered - I wouldn’t wish this level of disability on anyone.

titchy · 15/11/2020 17:10

As if we'd ever buy Russian or Chinese vaccines!

1940s · 15/11/2020 17:12

@DigitalChristmas they've had some vaccines not all

Popcornriver · 15/11/2020 17:19

I'd more than likely take the vaccine. I've heard of too many young/otherwise healthy people requiring hospital treatment.

I'm more worried the vaccine won't be offered to all once its made its way through the vulnerable groups.

DianaT1969 · 15/11/2020 17:27

Your OP is almost word for word identical to one last week. The media is clearly saying it isn't for children, hasn't been tested on children. They also suggest that elderly, care workers, frontline NHS will be offered it first, with 50+ after that. So how premature is your anxiety??

Madhairday · 15/11/2020 17:59

The problem is there is far too much misinformation out there about this. This article should help set your mind at rest. The vaccine has not been rushed; merely expedited by the amount of scientists all working on it at the same time and the cutting of much red tape usually involved. It's as safe as it can be, or at least the Oxford and Pfizer ones will be

BBC News - Vaccine rumours debunked: Microchips, 'altered DNA' and more
www.bbc.co.uk/news/54893437