So...does Borris really have a plan in the pipeline so families can be together for Christmas?

[BlowMeToBermuda]

Hi,

With rumours swirling, does anyone think there is actually a "together for Christmas" plan?

Before anyone shoots me down, I'm not saying I believe there should be one necessarily. There are certainly more important plans needing to be put together right now.

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to be with family for Christmas, but I just can't see how.

Thoughts?

The difficulty will be finding the edge of the bubbles. I am (now) an only child so there are my parents and us and DH’s parents which makes three households. But we would also like to see DH’s sister and family so that’s four. Her partner will want to see his family and her children will also be in a household with their Dad which will be a whole extended number of households.

On top of that what about someone I know is in the UK on her own from another country. Who is going to let her in their bubble for Christmas to then exclude another household from their family?

I think you have to do the two or three households at one time rule for it to work. Although they have been doing it in Wales for months.

Personally it doesn’t matter how many families Boris says we can mix with. We shan’t be seeing our parents until the last days of the school holidays when we will effectively have done nearly two weeks quarantine. And that will probably be for a walk outside; if it’s not all banned again by then.

The government would be foolish to think that everyone would follow a 'no household mixing' rule over Christmas. Smart move would be some kind of containment plan.

Yes, I know the virus isn't going to go away over Christmas but so many people are breaking the rules already, the government stands no chance of they don't have a realistic plan for Christmas.

I'd find it hard if my adult children had to spend Christmas Day on their own, and given that other friends are allowed cleaners, tradesmen and childcare providers in their homes, I'd be very tempted to break the rules on Christmas Day if mixing wasn't allowed as I don't see the risk any higher than non- family members being allowed to work in the home (if we distanced, didn't hug etc)

Muslims. Please don’t mix during the Ramadan
Sikh. Please don’t mix during Diwali
Christians and no Christians ... do whatever you want ... we know you’ve had a tough year

I wonder why people from other religions feel they don’t belong to this country.

Ps I’m Christian

@rosie1959

Quite frankly there are many people that will do just as they please no matter what legislation is put in place

But without this it would be the selfish people doing it

If this is allowed then it’ll be selfish + aw but it’s allowed by the government. So more people that will mix ...

Can’t wait til January when people moan about a new lockdown

I look forward to January when all the families who mixed unnecessarily complain about a stricter lockdown similar to the first. Hypocrisy is lost on those people.

So in that Daily Mail article the title reads 'with up to FOUR households able to mix in bubbles from December 24 to 28' If all the travel is condensed into those days it shouldn't lead to a surge as the nation's roads will be gridlocked and everyone will be trapped with just their own household in the car!

Was just making an observation EasterIssIland some will observe it I suspect many may not. Nobody will know who has kept to the rules and who has not.
I live in a small market town in East Anglia we have had between 7 and 18 infections between a population of 12k this has been roughly the same for the last few months Why is it suddenly more dangerous to see family than it was a couple of months ago

Full lockdown for Xmas so we can have a nice family Xmas without PIL, please. I am probably only few ones who are happy about this situation.

@GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly

So in that Daily Mail article the title reads 'with up to FOUR households able to mix in bubbles from December 24 to 28' If all the travel is condensed into those days it shouldn't lead to a surge as the nation's roads will be gridlocked and everyone will be trapped with just their own household in the car!

What about those who don't have a car who will be packed into busy trains or coaches?

SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun

That's exactly what makes it hard. They need to do something or they'll be family arguments and riffs for years to come.

If they try to limit to two households you'll have arguments, my parents or his. Things become even more complicated with step families, my DD or his DS.

As you point out the people who are on the edges will be hit hard, friends with no real family, and older people without their own children who'd maybe go to a niece or nephews.

You can here the grumble coming, I can't see my DDad at Christmas because his wife wants to see her kids....my ILs have called out with us...., I'm really upset my DD has chosen her friend over us...., I'm depressed I grew up in care and nobody wants me for Christmas.

The MH of the nation will plummet.

4 household limit most families could work with it. Or split off into two groups.

Answer honestly, do you think this Government will abide by any restrictions come Christmas and not have their usual extravagant festivity's?

I've read I think at the sun (sorry!) that a it'd still be bubbles so 10 people but during those days same 10 people, so would still be many times my family or his...
if we allow 10 people per days ....

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

Answer honestly, do you think this Government will abide by any restrictions come Christmas and not have their usual extravagant festivity's?

They're has been enough MPs who've broke the rules, and been splattered all over the papers that they who make the rules will learn their lesson and make them slack enough that it suits themselves.

what could possibly go wrong?

@RichardMarxisinnocent I was being facetious.

Will be annoyed if it is the 24th-28th as advertised as an nhs worker I only have xmas day off in that period and my partner has a different day off.
4 days isnt a lot for shift workers

I’d rather have a low key Christmas with just my household and have a big multi faith celebration next year once the vaccine has been rolled out.

If the travel is condensed (assuming people don’t time it to arrive at one minute past midnight) then the road traffic accidents will overwhelm the NHS. MAJOR flaw in this plan.

They should just come clean now and say it isn’t going to happen, no household mixing and everyone can plan accordingly with regards to food.

XmasLockdown 😂

I don't know why it can't be choice thing. I'm not bothered, we'll have our daughters here, step daughter can come as normal in the rules and I never invite anyone here because the fuss is too much on normal year's. I'd happily give up my slot for someone else to enjoy what they want. In practice I know it wouldn't work but if I saw no other households then someone else could see more. I'd like to visit a pub with my husband instead so I could swap with someone who doesn't want that. It won't work but I like the idea

@Splodgetastic

They should just come clean now and say it isn’t going to happen, no household mixing and everyone can plan accordingly with regards to food.

TBH as much as I think they will relax the rules, I also think households would be as well to organise their own dinner.

It's easier to combine two or three lots of food than it is to separate one massive order into two or three.

I don't think there will be restrictions as no one would be responsible and stick to it anyway.

But it'll be interesting to see a strict lockdown happen in the new year and the complaints start about loss of income and effect on the economy. Probably by the exact same people who caused it by having big family gatherings.

It's funny how in a lockdown people care about loss of income etc but then do the exact things that make one happen.

People should stick to the restrictions if they want jobs. Anyone who has a conviction for breaking them will be blacklisted once this is over.