A potential vaccine? What does that mean initially for those who aren't eligible for it?

[3littlewords]

Encouraging news today that a vaccine has been found that's 90% effective. However as initially it will be rolled out to those front line workers, the over 80s and those CEV , what does that mean for everyone else?

Will the virus just left to run through the rest of society as they will most likely not need any NHS support? Will 14 day isolating for close contacts still take place? Will school bubbles still close for 14 days ?

Given children will probably be the last people to be vaccinated (if at all), how will this affect education? Will they still be required to test and isolate every time they show any symptoms? Will there continue to be a disruption to teaching?

When will it be acceptable to reduce the need for SD and masks? When everyone has been vaccinated? When the NHS is no longer overwhelmed? When the number of deaths reduce? When?
What does the news of a vaccine mean for the majority that won't be eligible (initially anyway)?

I feel very nervous about going back to normal (over 45 and BMI 36). DH is a teacher BMI 35 and has other chronic conditions (but not specifically on the JVC priority list)..Maybe we should gain some weight so we’re eligible under BMI 40 moderate risk.

Ok so I’m being cynical. But I think there will be lots of people in their 40’s who would be very nervous of actually ending restrictions, knowing they are not protected in any way except the “building herd immunity” across the population as a whole.

I can se the threads now “in-laws have been vaccinated and want to go to and can’t understand why we’re scared”

I am over fifty, and a bit fat, and cannot bloody wait for freedom!!

I am so excited! Concerts, galleries, restaurants, pubs, friends to dinner, holidays, woohoo!

@Tootsey11

Am I the only one that is viewing this vaccine with a bit of caution. Yes it's good news, but we have no idea how long it protects you, could be a month, could be six. Also has it been tested on only healthy people? There is a hell of a lot of people with conditions, me included, what way would we react. I'm under 50 with a long list of chronic conditions. Reading the lists of priority, I'll be in the last group.

And yes 90% is good, that just leaves over six million people who it won't work for. Six million. Quite a number.

This is a serious question, though it might sound like a snippy one - what better news than a vaccine with 90% efficiency do you think we should be hanging on for? It seems like the only alternative to accepting this (assuming it passes all the rest of the safety tests) as the best solution, even if imperfect, is to just lockdown forever?

They can inject me with bleach if I’m free 😂

Most vaccines are only around 90ish% effective. That's a great amount, and the protection for those who it doesn't work for is that everyone else is vaccinated which stops the spread. That's how you actually get herd immunity.

Rejoice!

Can't wait as a Care assistant in a care home I'll be in the first wave of them rolling it out

A vaccine on the way should be an incentive to follow the rules, knowing there's light at the end of the tunnel

Yes @annabel85 - let's hope people come to their senses about being sensible about masks (no excuses!) and social distancing and isolating and not mixing households.

I think people are getting so self-centred though, I don't hold out much hope ...

Oh, for God’s sake just be happy!!

My guess would be that it'll be rolled out in this order:

Key workers in health care
Other high-exposure key workers such as teachers
The extremely vulnerable
The vulnerable
Key workers not covered by above
Then in descending age-group order

Johnson had no answer when reporter asked about teachers tonight.

This is the list. Not teachers.

Well, unless they’re in another category

Johnson had no answer when reporter asked about teachers tonight

His answer was that it'll go by the JCVI order - and that's been copied/linked to this thread several times.

@WouldBeGood You beat me to it!

No need to guess. The list might be altered in a minor way - it’s not the final final list, but it’s unlikely to be vastly different.

Basically, the older you are, the more at risk of dying in general.

Covid deaths track this same line. Age is the single biggest risk factor.

If you are CEV, and to a lesser extent male etc. it increases your age to that of an older person: alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/

Vaccines are needed to (1) avoid spreading it to the most vulnerable (Heath and social care staff) (2) protect the most vulnerable directly.

Teachers, shop workers, those working in hospitality, retail and leisure attractions are more at risk of catching it, but not at risk of death or of spreading to the most vulnerable unless they already fall into one of the risk categories.

Yes, so my dh has risk factors making him more likely to die than my parents and his, but they'll get it first. Insane.

Same here @Danglingmod - my fit and healthy parents will be vaccinated before me with no immune system.

Although I was reading on Twitter someone asking about how this vaccine relying on TCells will work for people take some kind of autoimmune treatment that switches off tcells, therefore clinically vulnerable but potentially unable to use this vaccine without stopping their medication.

Same here. My mother and father, both in their eighties, but both healthy will be vaccinated.

Me under 50 with 4 auto immune conditions and been told by doctors my immune system is on the floor will be last to get it.

Whoever generated this list needs to have a rethink. Lots of people in their late 30's and 40's with conditions, but more than likely working full time and have families, having a long number of years ahead of them will be left last.

Yeah, it's really concerning that previously economically active people may lose their livelihoods because they can't safely be in the workplace, whilst healthy retired people get the vaccine first.

Me under 50 with 4 auto immune conditions and been told by doctors my immune system is on the floor will be last to get it

Were you shielding or do you normally qualify for a free flu jab? (every year, not just the extra over 50s this year)
If so, you'll not be in the current lowest (healthy u50s, with occupational and other priority tbc)

Though of course, it might yet be the case that those who are immunosupressed might not be able to receive it. Are there any other human vaccines which use mRNA?

@Danglingmod exactly
So my retired healthy parents who have been out and about round pubs, restaurants etc through this whole thing will get it before me who has been unable to see them and shielding since March. Great(!)

Previously shielding appears to be irrelevant if under 50, according to the list.

You could come straight out of cancer treatment with a buggered immune system, or have had an organ transplant, but if you're 49 or below, you won't get the vaccine until everyone 60 and over has had it.

The risks are higher for the over eighties, reducing with age, so it’s perfectly reasonable

@WouldBeGood

Oh, for God’s sake just be happy!!

I am happy im ecstatic, all was asking was would restrictions for everyone else be reduced once the most vulnerable are vaccinated ?

@3littlewords sorry not directed at you, but there’s loads of moaning on here