A potential vaccine? What does that mean initially for those who aren't eligible for it?

[3littlewords]

Encouraging news today that a vaccine has been found that's 90% effective. However as initially it will be rolled out to those front line workers, the over 80s and those CEV , what does that mean for everyone else?

Will the virus just left to run through the rest of society as they will most likely not need any NHS support? Will 14 day isolating for close contacts still take place? Will school bubbles still close for 14 days ?

Given children will probably be the last people to be vaccinated (if at all), how will this affect education? Will they still be required to test and isolate every time they show any symptoms? Will there continue to be a disruption to teaching?

When will it be acceptable to reduce the need for SD and masks? When everyone has been vaccinated? When the NHS is no longer overwhelmed? When the number of deaths reduce? When?
What does the news of a vaccine mean for the majority that won't be eligible (initially anyway)?

Hopefully the National Covid Service, will become the NHS again

But not for the over 65s, compared to the shielding under 65s????

[quote WouldBeGood]@3littlewords sorry not directed at you, but there’s loads of moaning on here[/quote]
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Theres a lot of moaning on every thread lately no matter how positive it might be

@3littlewords isn’t that the truth!

@WouldBeGood

The risks are higher for the over eighties, reducing with age, so it’s perfectly reasonable

Then why weren’t they told to shield back in March along with CEV people?

Just look at the stats.

What it means is constant disruption in schools with staff constantly having to be off with self isolation, bubbles closing and so on,. As many staff are under 50 or over 50 but not CEV so will not be vaccinated.
Which means a nightmare with chidkcare for people working - and all the nhs staff will be in work surely and not based at home of vaccinated, - but will have to be at home of school classes are closed.

@Poppystars are you saying the vaccine will make things worse?

Teachers, shop workers, those working in hospitality, retail and leisure attractions are more at risk of catching it, but not at risk of death or of spreading to the most vulnerable unless they already fall into one of the risk categories.

Schools will be in turmoil for a long time in that case as teachers have to self isolate or go sick.

@wouldbegood my concern is that as the elderly, care home staff and medical and social care people are vaccinated that some people may think they can continue as before the pandemic, thus putting school staff and children ( as one example) at a greater risk. Currently one school near me has 3 whole year groups out due to staff ill or self-isolating. If a Dr has a child in that school they need alternative childcare or time off work to have them at home if they are young. This whilst medical staff may be able to see patients they will not be at work. Or supermarket staff at home, or refuse collectors ( our bin not collected again due to lack of staff) or other key workers.

Thus not this

@Poppystars

What it means is constant disruption in schools with staff constantly having to be off with self isolation, bubbles closing and so on,. As many staff are under 50 or over 50 but not CEV so will not be vaccinated. Which means a nightmare with chidkcare for people working - and all the nhs staff will be in work surely and not based at home of vaccinated, - but will have to be at home of school classes are closed.

Will schools continue to isolate bubbles or anyone isolate for that matter if they are a close contact once the most vulnerable are vaccinated? Will covid be treated then like any other virus like norovirus or chicken pox or even the flu in terms of how we treat confirmed cases and the wider community?

@3littlewords I think it will just be like any virus when the vulnerable groups are vaccinated.

@WouldBeGood

Just look at the stats.

The stats don't necessarily tell you will be most at risk in the future. People who were shielding probably didn't catch Covid but they can't carry on like that forever.

@Belladonna12 if you prefer not to believe actual statistics then crack on and stay at home 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Keepdistance

Redolent i doubt those occupations are higher risk now though due to SD and masks. Hairdressers maybe though as like healthcare workers they are so close.(as are childcare staff but without masks).

I hope it is available to buy. Everyone who has a vax is decreasing the chance of an outbreak. Fine if the gov decides that xyz other country needs healthcare staff vqxxed first, but they shouldnt be imposing that on our population. Much better to allow people to pay and then
They are happy to go out and spend money
And due to the herd effect they are actually protecting those who choose not to/cant/it wont work for
Also some people will have families abroad that they cant go to without a vax.

There are children with long covid so really hope a one comes out for cnildren. And obviously any ecv children.

But we will only have so many available vaccines. They will decide the best order of vaccination. Every one that's bought, takes one away from who they decided was most in need.

How can that be right?

It would be interesting to know how many people (roughly) are in each group.

It's all open to adjustment depending on efficacy & what other vaccines are available.

I do think teachers/school staff should be high up the list.

[quote WouldBeGood]@Belladonna12 if you prefer not to believe actual statistics then crack on and stay at home 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Belladonna is correct.

The CEV were in SI for months. They were not catching it.

Ignoring that is using statistics to lie, by not comparing the groups fairly.

People with blood cancer have a 1/3 risk of death if admitted to hospital. Those with blood cancer under 50 are disproportionately represented in ICU admissions. Those death/most serious illness stats way outstrip even the most elderly. But there's no outcry, because the rates at which they caught the infection was way lower because they were shielding

And of course shielding was introduced it out of care to the individual, but to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. The impact of 2million of the most vulnerable catching it and being hospitalised in a short time frame would completely stuff up the NHS bed situation.

If you include all those who were asked to shield in March, it doesn't just include those who have children, it also includes 90,000 children.

Even if not yet properly tested for paediatric use, it could be extended to adult-sized CEV teenagers, making them safer in school.

That's a bloody scary stat, Nether.

The way they are suggesting is just ageism!

I wouldn't go that far. There are risks associated with age and, for the non-CEV, the age is the greatest determinant of risk.

It’s interesting how the narrative has now changed and old people can now just be thrown under the bus.

Elderly people have also been in for months. Often locked up in care homes were they have nevertheless died in swathes.

Maybe it’s a case of wait and see how it all goes and how people behave? If they stop vaccination when they get down to age 50, there’ll be an awful lot of

@ForBlueSkies

What about the people who are vulnerable and don’t know it? Like the many undiagnosed diabetics. While I totally understand prioritising the rollout I don’t like the strategy of choosing to only vaccinating a small proportion of the population, especially as these early vaccines are said to not break the transmission cycle, just suppress symptoms.

A lot of supposedly “healthy” 40+ year olds could be about to get royally screwed over if they have undiagnosed health conditions. And then there’s long covid, which I’ve personally known to afflict several twenty somethings.

They can't vaccinate everyone straight away. There wont be enough vaccine and it will take time. How do you propose they vaccine people who dont know they have diabetes? Surely it makes more sense to vaccinate people we know are vulnerable to being hospitalised. I dont think anyone is saying only vaccinate over 70s. But it makes more sense to vaccinate them first. Or do you think nobody should get the vaccine until we have enough for healthy 40 year olds as well?