Why is no one doing anything about this?! Where will we end up

[Christmasiscoming77]

The second lockdown and furlough until March..and then what?
We’ll have no jobs left, why is no one opposing this, before it’s too late?!
What will become of us all

@longwayoff

The Daily Mail and its mates are busy promoting views such as yours, pop over there and add your goading to the rest. You'll find your people there.

This comment is very telling of where the next fault line in political discourse will be. Anyone opposing the lockdown is considered a right wing nut by the ‘progressive’ enlightened elite. While the rest are just seen as thick populists who don’t know what’s good for them. Keep going, well done. See how that turned out already in the last 5 years...mocking people who have a different opinion to you.

To all those saying it's a goady post - the Professor of Evidence-based Medicine at Oxford Uni (and many others!) agrees. It's not a fringe view. It's a legitimate one and people need to stop being sheep to "we will all die" narrative. Average age of Covid death is older than average life expectancy. So it MAINLY kills those who have already beat the odds. And the rest of us have to commit economic and social suicide. Wake up people.

Some people are trying to do something about it.
But we live in a world of binary politics and clickbait 'debate', and questioning lockdown is seen to be akin to being a right wing libertarian anti vaccine conspiracy theorist, and it's therefore difficult, if you're not that, to put your head above the parapet.
There are plenty of measured and intelligent people out there who are questioning the long term wisdom of current measures.

@ilovesooty

So how do you think we can prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed?

We could stop making decisions based on inflated figures, for a start.

Well, what are you doing about it? Have you written to your MP?

Almost certainly we'll all need our smelling salts, OP... And I'd invest in a fainting-couch whilst we've still got the money.

Genuinely, OP and those who agree, what do you think the government's end game is here?

My GP practice has had no Covid cases or deaths. My GP friend has been surrounded by Covid cases as they volunteered early in April at a Covid centre, neither they or their partner have had Covid.

Do doctors receive funding if they put Covid on the death certificate?

@Redlocks28

Well, what are you doing about it? Have you written to your MP?

Mine, for once in his life, did the right thing and voted against his party yesterday. There’s one of the lowest infection rates here - 55 per 100,000.

Do what about it?

It's an awful situation, but there's no easy answers, is there?

Even with all the restrictions, hospitals in major city areas are already on the brink, hundreds dying every day, thousands hospitalised.

[quote CoffeeNights]I haven't seen the news today so apologise in advance...so furlough until march. So that says to me restrictions will be until at least march, but has that explicitly been said? Lockdown until.march?[/quote]
No, it's to enable businesses to plan ahead as people have been asking for.

National Lockdown will end Dec2 - then they'll go back to the Tiers. Even if we're all in Tier 4/5/99.

They want stuff open. They want people at work.

I think the Govt are a shit show, I'm no fan, but they WILL lift lockdown as soon as they can. More likely 'too much - too soon' again than imposing it for longer than necessary.

Even if everyone was destitute (they won't be) we will always recover and rebuild.

Well, winter pressure at the NHS Trusts in my area is already full on. One of them is in condition Black. And it's only November. COVID cases among our staff are rising, and we were already short staffed.

Carrying on as we were would not have been a good thing. I don't want a lockdown, but until we get the numbers down and get a working Test and Trace service (i.e. not one run on spreadsheets, for profit and by Boris' mates), we have little choice.

I totally agree with you, OP. I am not on board with this ridiculous lockdown. I was with the first until I saw first hand the damage it would do to people's livelihoods. I then realised how wrong I was and I will never be on board with it again. I was personally badly affected.

So far I am delighted that few people around here are paying much attention to this latest folly and most businesses seem to be open as usual.

Where have you been for the past 7 months op? There have been several marches, demonstrations against lockdown. Plenty of experts think it's not the right thing to do. Plenty of ordinary people agree. Some politicians as well. Business leaders, doctors.

@DickKerrLadies

Genuinely, OP and those who agree, what do you think the government's end game is here?

This

@Coffeeandcocopops

My GP practice has had no Covid cases or deaths. My GP friend has been surrounded by Covid cases as they volunteered early in April at a Covid centre, neither they or their partner have had Covid.

Do doctors receive funding if they put Covid on the death certificate?

No, they don't receive extra funding for putting covid in the death certificate, but well done for parroting a Qanon-adjacent conspiracy theory

VinylDetective Fri 06-Nov-20 13:06:59

We could stop making decisions based on inflated figures, for a start.

Patients aren't admitted to intensive care units on the basis of figures. They're admitted on the basis of medical need.

Jobs will change after this for sure, but as some jobs are lost new jobs will be created.

Furlough keeps the beast from the door for many, not all I know.

So what will become of us all? We we adapt and survive, as it's always been thus.

Hard to predict the changes whilst still existing in the situation.

Well the consequences haven’t really been felt yet. Loads of people on furlough think all their Christmases have come at once. 80% pay is close to full pay for most people once the expenses that come with work and social life are removed. There’s a thread running from a poster who doesn’t know how she’s going to fill her time and feels she’s been “given a little gift” and wants ideas for how to enjoy it. This is how plenty of people feel about lockdown 2. A treat, time off on full pay! I have no idea how the country is paying for it. People forget government’s have no money, just tax-payer’s money. So expect your taxes to go up in future to cover it and services to be cut.

Could people explain how they think not going into lockdown would save non-covid deaths or increase non-covid treatments?

If the NHS is overwhelmed, no-one will get treated for anything

When I went to the protest mumsnet called me a conspiracy theorist 🤷‍♀️

@GertiMJN

Could people explain how they think not going into lockdown would save non-covid deaths or increase non-covid treatments?

If the NHS is overwhelmed, no-one will get treated for anything

Quite simple, people don't think it will be overwhelmed because since saturday there has been many experts debunking the 4k deaths a day graph of doom. It's just not the experts the govt is listening to

@TheNewLook

Well the consequences haven’t really been felt yet. Loads of people on furlough think all their Christmases have come at once. 80% pay is close to full pay for most people once the expenses that come with work and social life are removed. There’s a thread running from a poster who doesn’t know how she’s going to fill her time and feels she’s been “given a little gift” and wants ideas for how to enjoy it. This is how plenty of people feel about lockdown 2. A treat, time off on full pay! I have no idea how the country is paying for it. People forget government’s have no money, just tax-payer’s money. So expect your taxes to go up in future to cover it and services to be cut.

These people have no idea what’s coming, furlough means non job to go back to.