Lockdown: You can meet up with someone else but what about kids?

[Sundiamond]

So, I could meet up with someone else for a walk.

What about my primary aged child? He can't go alone. So, this means I can go but he can't go?

Well you’ll understand the importance of the next month and people doing as they are asked, if it’s to make any difference to the numbers when open schools are already going to be a huge obstacle in reducing the spread.

Why does someones suffering trump someone else's? Surely we are all allowed to have our own worries or concerns and we make decision s accordingly. I will make the decision that is right for me at that time.

I hate this feeling of one ups manship all the time.

I feel for those teaching that feel anxious about their safety and I feel for this suffering from PND and isolation. Both are valid and individuals should make the decision that is best for them at that time.

@GrumpySausage

Then campaign for schools to close over the month if you are really that bothered.

No? Didn’t think so.

[quote DBML]@Orcus

I disagree.

And what about teachers (sorry I can only comment on what I know)? I have to go to work and spend all day with kids. Is that my ‘socialising allowance’ spent? Do I get to go meet an adult on the way home from work? Perhaps I could meet a different friend every day? Or are the mums here expecting me to make sacrifices so I can stay in school watching their kids (who are apparently poor company) whilst they go out to meet a friend during a lockdown?
A young teacher has just died of Covid and people are worrying about their babies being shit company.[/quote]
None of this is a reason why you disagree with my point that it won't make any practical difference to the things you mention. It's just a vent.

There is nothing inherent about taking a small child to an outdoor meeting with one other person that will make the lockdown more or less pointless, depending on your perspective on it. Because there's nothing inherent about it that will raise the risk of transmitting covid.

I'll be meeting friend outside with toddlers. End of.

I understand that people have reasons why they feel they have a need to break the law. But can I suggest that, if you do, then you don't start blaming others for their law breaking behaviour? If any one of you has been calling out students for not confining themselves to their rooms, then you're a massive hypocrite.

Do what you need to do to stay safe, physically and mentally, but don't judge others when they do the same. And if your next thought is "Yeah but...", give your head a shake.

@Orcus

Except it gives more people the ability to go out and meet up with others. Which is what we’re trying to avoid. To reduce the spread.

On another thread people were willing to make these sacrifices to keep the schools open...only they aren’t really willing when it comes to it.

I'm sorry @dbml, what has campaigning to keep schools closed got to do with my posts? Because I mentioned I acknowledge that some teachers must feel anxious?

Shall I also campaign for PND because I mentioned that?

Or shall I campaign for dentists because I mentioned them on a different thread?

You've completely missed the point of my post.

@DBML people can say that they are worried about something without it taking anything away from people in a worse situation. Your response is pretty much the equivalent of saying to anyone with a problem “at least you’re not dead”. It doesn’t help the person.

@GrumpySausage

I read your post and took it as you conceded that teachers have a valid reason to be anxious about going to school during a national lockdown. I though that you therefore might like to lend your support to the union who are arguing the case that teachers should not be put at risk.

But we both know that I wasn’t really suggesting you do that. I was merely illustrating how fucking selfish people on this thread are.

@LittleMissLockdown are you on your own? If so then you're actually able to meet up with one other family anyway! Just chose one and stick to it.

If not then you have your partner to talk to and he could look after the little one while you go out for a walk with a friend one on one. Simple.

@dbml the irony of your last sentence....

@Orcus

But many of these same people will ARGUE for teachers to be in school at risk for the greater good.

That’s what’s pissing me off frankly. The double standard.

[quote DBML]@Orcus

Except it gives more people the ability to go out and meet up with others. Which is what we’re trying to avoid. To reduce the spread.

On another thread people were willing to make these sacrifices to keep the schools open...only they aren’t really willing when it comes to it.[/quote]
The problem with your argument here is that you're conflating seeing other people with a transmission opportunity. The reality is that it's possible to see people outside in a way where the risk simply isn't there. As I said, there isn't anything inherent about adding a small child to a two adult meetup in a park that makes it more risky. Perfectly possible to do it all safely.

There's also the point that we need to provide people with incentives to socialise outside. It's imperative. Because otherwise, whether any of us like it or not, barriers drive people indoors.

Then phone a helpline or speak to your GP. But your MH doesn’t trump my physical safety either.

Sorry I have to jump in here. As a nurse who worked throughout the pandemic whilst also pregnant, and is now at home with a newborn, I can see both sides.

No one's MH trumps anyones physical health, but your physical health doesn't trump someone else's PND either. That kills too.

@GrumpySausage

Oh really? Right

[quote DBML]@Orcus

But many of these same people will ARGUE for teachers to be in school at risk for the greater good.

That’s what’s pissing me off frankly. The double standard.[/quote]
Then by all means say that, if double standards are your concern. It's a point that can be made without pretending a toddler in a buggy or whatever makes a situation more risky.

@Orcus

Ok. That’s my point.

[quote Looneytune253]@LittleMissLockdown are you on your own? If so then you're actually able to meet up with one other family anyway! Just chose one and stick to it.

If not then you have your partner to talk to and he could look after the little one while you go out for a walk with a friend one on one. Simple. [/quote]
Not on my own but my husband is a key worker out the door from 7-9 most days, and working overtime due to the pandemic so it sure feels like I'm alone most of the time.

Thank you for your suggestions but sadly the rules mean I'm not able to bubble.

*It’s going to be a long month for those of us at home with DC

What is it you'll actually go without? Babygroups already non existent, you can't go to soft play or the library for rhyme time or to read stories, its all select and collect, the park is still open

Or do you mean you have friends round with kids ?

@Orcus

At what point do we aknowledge they become a risk though? When they are walking? When they are 3?

I think its unrealistic to expect people to say oh my kids one day over that age so will stay home. If the rule is 3, then people with 3.1 year olds (and so on to school age) will feel its unfair and wont follow.

Its easier to say all kids otherwise people will always feel they are in a grey area (as with the geographical boundaries in local lockdowns)

They have to draw a line somewhere, its only a few weeks. Why does no one want to spend time with their own children?

[quote Thrownaway]@Orcus

At what point do we aknowledge they become a risk though? When they are walking? When they are 3?

I think its unrealistic to expect people to say oh my kids one day over that age so will stay home. If the rule is 3, then people with 3.1 year olds (and so on to school age) will feel its unfair and wont follow.

Its easier to say all kids otherwise people will always feel they are in a grey area (as with the geographical boundaries in local lockdowns)[/quote]
We acknowledge something becomes a risk when it actually does become a risk. We don't pretend something is inherently risky simply because some people would find the concept easier.

10 month old baby here too

I will be ‘exercising’ with another mum and baby.
And I will take my baby with me to ‘exercise’ with my mum.

I’m not looking for loopholes, I’m using my common sense that tells me this is not a risk to anyone.

I’m going to still go for walks with my mum and DS (8 months). He’s an extension of me, he can’t interact with anyone without me.