To believe the Daily Fail - full UK lockdown being announced next week?

[Hmmmmminteresting]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

I hate to believe, but now am also used to this dripfeed we get which 9/10 times ends up being correct 🤔

Prof Sridhar also says:

The longer the UK delays lockdown, the longer it will last

Exactly. She speaks a lot of sense... Just wish the stupid fuckers in charge would listen.

They don’t listen, that’s why they’re stupid fuckers.

PMQS - 14th October - when asked about a half term circuit breaker

It is thanks to NHS Test and Trace, which is now testing more people than any other country in Europe, that we know where the disease is surging. We know that it is regionally distributed, rather than nationally distributed, at the moment, and that gives us a chance to do the right thing.

The right hon. and learned Gentleman wants to close pubs. He wants to close bars. He wants to close businesses in areas across the country where the incidence is low. That is what he wants to do, and he wants to do it now, yet he voted to do nothing last night—nothing—in the areas where the incidence is highest. He says one thing at 5 o’clock about calling for a national lockdown.

So I hope he does do a lockdown - even though it's come much later than it should have done - and he realises that hubris will be his downfall.

Normandy144

Move this to the covid topic please!

Seriously??? Christ alive

@Whatyoucanandcantdo

Normandy144

Move this to the covid topic please!

Seriously??? Christ alive

Some folk have put the covid topic on ignore for various valid reasons, hence putting any mention of it in one area.

I should not mumsnet just before bed

But Drakeford said we're not having a lockdown. Does that mean we're out but England 's in? I just need a big enough window to buy dd a bday card

Completely pointless without closing the schools. Do people really think this is spreading in socially distanced restaurants non essential shops!? Get a brain.

That's both our kids' birthdays fucked then. 10yo ds won't even get any presents - we put a deposit down on a pet for him today that we were supposed to be collecting in 2 weeks and everyone in the family has contributed money. No present, no family round, no friends. I am devastated for him and utterly depressed by the whole shitty year. Spring was OK, we could at least get out for some walks and bike rides. But November...??

Clearly another lockdown is needed. I just wish they'd done a circuit breaker, sooner. Gutted.

Could they be testing the waters, to see how it would be received by joe public, before making a decision one way or the other?

At DD's school there's zero social distancing amongst parents on the yard then many of the parents stand around on the corner chatting before splitting off into smaller groups and walking home together or going to the local shop together. That'll continue if schools stay open.

Could they be testing the waters, to see how it would be received by joe public, before making a decision one way or the other?

Once they leak it to the press its more or less a done deal and the pre-emptive "leak" is to give people time to get used to it so that by the time the official announcement comes everyone is already resigned to it.

@Whatafustercluck

That's both our kids' birthdays fucked then. 10yo ds won't even get any presents - we put a deposit down on a pet for him today that we were supposed to be collecting in 2 weeks and everyone in the family has contributed money. No present, no family round, no friends. I am devastated for him and utterly depressed by the whole shitty year. Spring was OK, we could at least get out for some walks and bike rides. But November...??

Clearly another lockdown is needed. I just wish they'd done a circuit breaker, sooner. Gutted.

Get over yourself

I agree with PP that it’s pointless if schools are staying open

The Times is reporting on twitter tonight - govt preparing for full national lockdown from Wednesday. Boris press conference on Monday to announce. Source : twitter

I love Christmas but really don't think it should be held up as the be all and end all this year. There are more important things.
It's just an arbitrary date as far as a pandemic is concerned.
I'd rather things were properly managed so that people could get the medical attention they needed, students weren't scapegoated and that I could see my mum at some point.

Bit harsh @coffeelover123987, it is shitty for kids when their birthdays can't be celebrated in the way they'd like and it is downheartening that we're headed back into lockdown thanks to this shambles of a government who couldn't organise their way out of a wet paper bag let alone a global health crisis. Yes there will be people who are worse off but that doesn't mean @Whatafustercluck isn't entitled to her feelings about it.

FWIW, I feel the same. My DC have missed out on so much this year and their worlds have become so much smaller, I'm gutted that they'll probably now have to give up some of the things they've only recently gotten back as they'll probably be classified as non-essential. School, home, eat, sleep, repeat is a fairly crap existence.

In Germany, we are having lockdown "light" from Monday.
As far as I can tell this is just closing restaurants, gyms, pools and non-essential hotel stays (again).
Schools and shops are open.
I understand why this is required, what I do not understand is how much effort is being put into testing and isolating potential carriers.
I think the UK is handling all of this very badly (but why not, it detracts from the carnage that is Brexit).
In my opinion there is far too much emphasis on "protecting" the NHS. If you have a nationally-funded, free at point of delivery "service" then it should be able to cope with anything thrown at it.
Watching the news earlier, it is clear that the message has not got through to Joe Public. Why?
Well it was unclear from the start and too dithering. Keep the spotlight off the NHS, so it can do its job, make the general public aware of what it needs to do and why.
Or is that too simplistic?

@Gancanny

Bit harsh *@coffeelover123987, it is shitty for kids when their birthdays can't be celebrated in the way they'd like and it is downheartening that we're headed back into lockdown thanks to this shambles of a government who couldn't organise their way out of a wet paper bag let alone a global health crisis. Yes there will be people who are worse off but that doesn't mean @Whatafustercluck* isn't entitled to her feelings about it.

FWIW, I feel the same. My DC have missed out on so much this year and their worlds have become so much smaller, I'm gutted that they'll probably now have to give up some of the things they've only recently gotten back as they'll probably be classified as non-essential. School, home, eat, sleep, repeat is a fairly crap existence.

I do agree with this. It's one thing, as an adult, to accept that some hardship now has a benefit down the line, but hard for DC to understand or accept, and completely reasonable to be sad about it. I still have moments of grief for what my DC have missed already this year (Y6/Y7 transition) let alone what's to come.

@FraughtwithGin my family abroad questioned this too. It's a very valid point.

Thanks for your kind words and understanding @Gancanny

I couldn't care less for myself, but it really hurts when it affects your children. I totally get there's a much bigger picture here. But whatever happened to #bekind?

In my opinion there is far too much emphasis on "protecting" the NHS

Scientific expert, Prof Sridhar retweeted an excellent post. Explains it well.

People aren't 'prioritising COVID' over other diseases. Health services are overwhelmed with COVID-19 & unable to provide routine care. The only way to prevent this is to control COVID.

She also explains it herself (my bold):

Such false logic: uncontrolled spread doesn’t mean ‘just some people die.’ It means health services collapsing bc of high COVID hospitalisation rate (so all patients suffer), lasting economic damage from people being scared & changing behaviour, & society going backwards.

I don't see the point - rates are low in my neck of the woods, and what would locking down areas which are low achieve?

National lockdowns don't work - Belgium has just gone into another one, having tightened restrictions last week. I think we have to learn to live with this, but until people listen to the messages about masks, and keeping a distance, nothing will change.

@Whatafustercluck
It's a terrible shame it's once again necessary. All because our government failed to do it properly first-time round.

It's nowhere near the same but if it turns out you can't collect the pet in time for the birthday, perhaps whoever you're collecting him/her from could send photos and a sort of adoption letter from the pet addressed to your daughter, telling her how much he/she is looking forward to meeting her?

Agree @Summerfreeze, I think it’s madness to ignore it - especially in senior schools, although I think it’s socialising between households that’s the driving the infections whether that’s in a private house garden, restaurant or bar. Location’s not important it’s the close mixing on mass for extended periods of time sat talking that does it. And apparently here in Yorkshire the fact that a lot of the working population are key workers and can’t work from home. Apparently in Bradford over 70% of working adults are classed as key workers.

I have several friends who are teachers and whilst it does seem to pop up in the primaries they don’t think any of the pupils are spreading it to each other, and there’s apparently been no ‘outbreaks’ at primaries in our LEA area, but there has at a couple of senior schools and it looks like the seniors are certainly spreading it to each other but looks like it’s happening actually mostly outside of school so socially and the outbreaks are between friendship groups - this is purely anecdotal though.

But I agree Johnson should never have taken the option of the table, he did though and has now completely backed himself into a corner.