What is reason for rise in cases in over 60’s?

[Watermelon999]

In our area this has really risen and obviously leads to more hospitalisations and more poorly patients, with rise in itu admissions.

What is the reason for this?

Is it the result of people still seeing family? Or family providing childcare? (I know some will still be working themselves).

the media are pushing for further lock down

The steepest rise in cases, up to this week (see chart posted earlier in the thread) is between those aged 20-60

The actions of those age 60 plus have not driven the start of this wave. So even with the more vulnerable less affected tomdate, we have very high hospital admission stats and increasing deaths. This reflects the state of transmission some weeks ago

What the fuck is it going to be like when it's not just the less vulnerable who are catching it?

I think the 'blame the elderly' mindset is totally wrong, because it is so clearly unsupported by the evidence.

So why do people persist with it, other than to use ageism to 'other' the circumstances?

@Nellodee

Childcare. I still see huge amounts of grandparents taking children to my kids primary school.

Me too, I know of so many doing wrap around care and see so many out and about caring for children. They are silent spreaders sadly 😢

In the summer when things were open and we had less restrictions, it was spreading among the younger age groups, so hospitalisations were minimal. For some reason it didn’t find it’s way to the over 60’s then, even though they were out and about (quite rightly) like everybody else. So what has changed recently to make the spread increase? Is it to do with grandparents providing after school childcare? Or have more people returned to work? I don’t know.

Where the over 60s out and about more than the under 60s? Perhaps the younger ones were taking the risks whilst the older were still being cautious even though they were out and about? In July few people had it, so it was relatively safe for all. Infections were rising in August before schools went back. It's exponential growth - doing the same things in September as they were doing in July is more risky simply because more people were infectious.

What are people supposed to do for childcare though? All our local options are full. People need money to live and grandparents childcare is a huge financial saving for a lot of families.

@wondersun, the research I've seen doesn't find that children under 10 are superspreaders. It's the boys 11-24, who tend to be asymptomatic and have higher viral loads.

I went to the hairdressers yesterday, for the first time since lock down. The three people on their way out were over 60 and the next three were as well. Every cafe, coffee shop etc are full of the over 60's. On my FB that was the age group that booked Turkey when quarantine was dropped, now they are booking the Canaries. My Sister and her friends are all over 60 and they started being out and about once schools went back. The buses are once again full of that age group.

So I don't think it's fair to blame childcare. Many have GC 19-30, who are still popping in for tea. I know of three women who've caught it from their Son/GC and been hospitalised.

I think it's mainly a matter that 60+ = possible hospital intervention, so they are showing up more than other age groups.

perhaps the over 60s notice symptoms more than 20s and are therefore tested.

@JamminDoughnuts

perhaps the over 60s notice symptoms more than 20s and are therefore tested.

Or perhaps, as the figures shown on the thread illustrate, it's not that age group with the biggest rise in cases.

mobile.twitter.com/Dr_D_Robertson/status/1319292649698807813

Heat map for age groups.
Just because an OP says something is true, doesn't mean it is.

thank you @TheSeedsOfADream

@Hercwasonaroll

What are people supposed to do for childcare though? All our local options are full. People need money to live and grandparents childcare is a huge financial saving for a lot of families.

At what cost though? I wouldn’t put a parents health at risk because I wanted free childcare.

Childcare was always a cost we factored in, never expected family to do it as not their choice to have a child.

so the over 80s have gone up
my dm and her chums meeting up
living their lives as they want to

[quote Ponoka7]@wondersun, the research I've seen doesn't find that children under 10 are superspreaders. It's the boys 11-24, who tend to be asymptomatic and have higher viral loads.

I went to the hairdressers yesterday, for the first time since lock down. The three people on their way out were over 60 and the next three were as well. Every cafe, coffee shop etc are full of the over 60's. On my FB that was the age group that booked Turkey when quarantine was dropped, now they are booking the Canaries. My Sister and her friends are all over 60 and they started being out and about once schools went back. The buses are once again full of that age group.

So I don't think it's fair to blame childcare. Many have GC 19-30, who are still popping in for tea. I know of three women who've caught it from their Son/GC and been hospitalised.

I think it's mainly a matter that 60+ = possible hospital intervention, so they are showing up more than other age groups.[/quote]
I think there is evidence for both arguments ( America and India have done some big studies with quite a bit of info available on google) and I also think silent spreaders (by their very nature) will be the last thing to be properly understood.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/01/health/contact-tracing-children-superspreaders/index.html

Here is the latest iteration of the Imperial REACT-1 study.

It shows that the second wave has so far been driven by those aged 20-55. It is only testing in round 6 (16-25 October) which shows big growth in the numbers aged >55

www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/institute-of-global-health-innovation/REACT1_r6_interim_preprint.pdf

So the hospitals are filling up and people are dying before this wave has really reached the more vulnerable population.

I suggest it's worth ditching the inaccurate ageist assumptions that it is the older generation who have led us to this point in the second wave so far. And to think about what it will be like if we cannot prevent it reaching them.

@Hercwasonaroll

What are people supposed to do for childcare though? All our local options are full. People need money to live and grandparents childcare is a huge financial saving for a lot of families.

It’s so hard to know what to do or how to do it at the moment. Grandparents might not fancy full time home schooling to reduce the number of contacts over the next couple of tricky months.

I really do think things will be brighter in the Spring.

At what cost though? I wouldn’t put a parents health at risk because I wanted free childcare.

Childcare was always a cost we factored in, never expected family to do it as not their choice to have a child.

I've never expected it. Grandparents offered and they enjoy the 2 days a week with grandchildren.

Can you not read, how do I get any other childcare if everywhere is full?

I'm a teacher, therefore the 4 days a week of grandparents childcare means I'm in front of other people's children. I can't just up and leave because there's no nursery or childminder spaces available.

As for the jibe about risking their health, low blow. They are more than happy to take the risk and have said they'd rather see the grandchildren than not.

Me too, I know of so many doing wrap around care and see so many out and about caring for children. They are silent spreaders sadly
Why are the over 60s more likely to have it and be spreading it silently? They (we) are more likely to be very ill if we get it but not more likely to catch it. I live a very socially distanced life but do some school pick ups and child care (DD is a single parent) without which DD could not work. Many over 60s are still working full time as the State Pension age in my age group is 66.

“At what cost though? I wouldn’t put a parents health at risk because I wanted free childcare.

Childcare was always a cost we factored in, never expected family to do it as not their choice to have a child.”

Nor me @IceCreamAndCandyfloss. We used to have our parents helping out a couple of days a week. It was great for them and the dc. But we haven’t since March and have payed for after school provision instead. We always appreciated how lucky we were to have them helping in the first place as not everyone is in that position.

@CaptainMyCaptain

Me too, I know of so many doing wrap around care and see so many out and about caring for children. They are silent spreaders sadly Why are the over 60s more likely to have it and be spreading it silently? They (we) are more likely to be very ill if we get it but not more likely to catch it. I live a very socially distanced life but do some school pick ups and child care (DD is a single parent) without which DD could not work. Many over 60s are still working full time as the State Pension age in my age group is 66.

@CaptainMyCaptain I think they mean children are the silent spreaders?

My colleague is 65, we share a small office in a school with desks 1m apart with 2 others and all have the option to wfh.

She is the only one who chooses to go into the office every day, mainly because she has a house full with her daughter and grandchildren living with her and her husband. When I go in I'm petrified of passing anything on to her in such a confined space with no Covid measures such as perspex and I don't feel.I can go in as much as I'd like. She isn't remotely bothered, but it does not sit right with me.

I'm over 60. I follow all the rules and use masks/gloves to go out shopping but I'm also working....in a non-teaching role at a school. No masks or gloves, supposed to be social distancing but no-one does, shared computer/office etc. and I'm the only one who cleans and sanitises the office equipment on my shift, no-one else does.

I caught COVID earlier in the year and it was from the school, at that point I hadn't been anywhere else but work.

Absolutely pointless not going to the pub or shutting down society when schools are still open, small children are asymptomatic and are passing it on to families who then pass it round the community at large. Including their older members.

I live in an area with high numbers of over seventies . They split into two groups , those not going anywhere and hugely anxious, and those just doing as they like . The latter are by far the worst for masks and social distancing, I constantly see older gentlemen shaking hands. Groups gathering in coffee shops and constantly trying to push tables together to the frustration of staff , M&S food hall is a nightmare, lots of older people not wearing masks, no regard for social distancing at all , handling all the vegetables etc etc .

Spatial awareness declines with age I know at 50 my spatial awareness is not as good as it was , and this is one of the problems I think, a lot of older people can’t visualise 2m. My dh and I were queuing for something the other day, the 2m spaces were clearly marked but several groups of older people were just queuing as normal and got very cross when asked to move back by the staff , one kept Leaning over my shoulder asking me to move up and prodding me with their walking stick ( the rambling type so quite sharp ! )

Then as PP said 60 is really pretty young these days so lots of people are doing childcare or working full time .

Oh the ageism on this thread is depressing!

OP makes an unsubstantiated statement about the over 60 age group, and people pile in with explanations about them (me) living in their "twilight years". Sheesh.

@CaptainMyCaptain I think they mean children are the silent spreaders?
OK I misread that.

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Oh the ageism on this thread is depressing!

OP makes an unsubstantiated statement about the over 60 age group, and people pile in with explanations about them (me) living in their "twilight years". Sheesh.

Absolutely.