What is reason for rise in cases in over 60’s?

[Watermelon999]

In our area this has really risen and obviously leads to more hospitalisations and more poorly patients, with rise in itu admissions.

What is the reason for this?

Is it the result of people still seeing family? Or family providing childcare? (I know some will still be working themselves).

@wearywanda

I come from a large family, most of us are in tier 2 and it's the middle aged like me (47) teens and students who are all being sensible and observing the rules. The older family members are mainly disregarding them. They say things like: oh they can put me in prison then! And.. I'm not sitting outside at a café in the rain we'll have no choice but to go inside (with friends).

Simply not doing it doesn't feature.

All this is despite knowing families whose lives have been devastated by Covid, and we have an A&E doctor, a medical student, a nurse and a physio in the family.

@wearywanda

Cafes and restaurants round here (tier 2) will not let you sit together if you’re not a household group.

It's spreading in the same way that it is for others - close contact - so family, friends and to a lesser extent workplaces. Catching it from strangers in pubs, restaurants and shops is much less likely.

Ah ok. I understood from your OP that you meant cases.
Most cases UK wide are in teenagers and the under 30s, most hospitalisations in the over 60s for reasons which are, by now, all too familiar.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-54642877

In some areas older people have been gathering in bars hence them being closed, not just young people in bars / pubs etc

Why wouldn't over 60s catch Covid the same way that younger groups do: at work, travelling to and from work, meeting and helping out friends and family outside of work?

There was a flurry of younger people catching it when the schools and universities went back and now it's settling into everyone else.

Interesting how many MNers seem to think that the over 60s are specially selfish for living their lives just as the under 60s do. What are they supposed to live on, for a start?

I'm 65 and from my observations when shopping, my cohort seem to use 2 metres and 2 feet interchangeably.

Interestingly, the article doesn't specify what "slightly older" in this context means. The article is comparing this group with students, so I suppose could be anything from 25 on.
Where I am it's school age kids' parents I reckon. Rammed outside the primaries at drop off, then they stay for an hour to chat, and rammed again at home time like they're greeting soldiers coming back from the trenches. Very few masks. They'll be the lucky asymptomatic ones spreading it go the vulnerable of all ages.

Matt Hancock is several weeks out of date, as usual.

Outbreak in my area because a group of thirty went on a coach trip to the seaside. The same thing happened in March, the same company, and one man died. But they went again because Boris said it as ok.

The state pension age is 66. I expect a lot of over 60s are having to go to work.

@Orangeblossom7777

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-54642877

In some areas older people have been gathering in bars hence them being closed, not just young people in bars / pubs etc

So, this article states that the spread in the older age group is down to them mixing in pubs and different households.

I presume these were non household groups mixing together without distancing, which has never been allowed?

So surely with the increase in restrictions and only being allowed to mix in household groups, we should notice the rate in this age group start to fall soon?

I'm not sure. I've family in Glasgow and dad's from Lanarkshire, they just told me if pubs close they'll just drink inside...

Again, the article doesn't specify how old the people are. Just that they are "slightly older" than the students being blamed.
Which, in my experience, I'd agree with. Students and schoolkids here are acting very responsibly. It definitely seems to be say, 25-40 group near me who just aren't bothering any more. But it's so much easier to blame the young (or indeed the old)

@TheSeedsOfADream

Again, the article doesn't specify how old the people are. Just that they are "slightly older" than the students being blamed. Which, in my experience, I'd agree with. Students and schoolkids here are acting very responsibly. It definitely seems to be say, 25-40 group near me who just aren't bothering any more. But it's so much easier to blame the young (or indeed the old)

I think it’s a mixture here, not all one age group being responsible or not.

I suppose even if the students and school kids are behaving responsibly, they still have no choice but to be in close contact at school or uni, and you can’t blame them for that- so that sort of explains the rise in that demographic.

Yes I agree from the article it doesn’t specify the age group, just that it’s older than uni age, I presumed it was the older demographic, but there’s no reason to think that. It would help if we were given more facts. Not to blame but to enable us to understand more.

There is a heat map here showing cases per 100,000 in England over recent weeks by age group (to week ending 18 October) :
mobile.twitter.com/Dr_D_Robertson/status/1319292649698807813

That's an interesting map. Thanks!

@whyamidoingtgistomyself

Shopping, working, going to the doctors, getting on a bus, going to a pub , living , loving

I agree and a lot of older people I know say they accept the risks and want to see GC etc but then obviously numbers go up. It’s frustrating as anecdotally a lot of people locally (GM) who aren’t as stringent with the rules are older. If young people behave the same way they are vilified.

Its because after the first wave and lockdown, we're eased, then things were relaxed. But a lot of older people carried on shielding, maybe only popping to the shops and seeing family occasionally. Over the summer, it was spreading predominantly amongst the younger population who were socialising and working. Then schools opening in September. As we know, it barely affects young people, but they can spread it. So as the R number increased, it inevitably found its way to the older population and now we are starting to see the affects of that because they are affected more severely.

I think a lot are catching it from family and friends. My colleague is very upset that her neighbour has just died in his sixties. He caught it from his granddaughter whose bubble was sent home from school after positive cases.

Schools and gatherings are spreading it in teens, they pass it to family. The teens survive but will have to live the rest of their life feeling responsible for killing a loved one. That must be fan-bloody-tastic for their mental health.

Of course if we had a proper government they would have children distanced in schools, wearing masks, all windows and doors open. Instead we have ... Boris.

Swinging?

The teens survive but will have to live the rest of their life feeling responsible for killing a loved one.

Who actually says this to their teen though? You wouldn't blame them if they passed on a cold or noro virus. Why are we playing such a vile blame game with corona?

I'm sure no one is saying it to their teen or they would be a bit of a cunt really. It is just an awful, awful situation that is playing out all over the country. I can't see what the solution is because let's face it, if I was elderly I would want to see my grandchildren too. If we made schools safer and parents actually told little Johnny no house parties this year we might avoid a few more families having to deal with this.

I might be over sensitive but the implication to me in the Ops post is that everybody over 60 should stay home . My junior school class might miss their teacher.

It's a social virus. The more you're around other people the more chance you'll get it.

Breaking news: Covid is transferred from person to person. The over 60s are catching it from being close to, or sharing a touched surface with an infected person.

There will be a million settings in which this has happened, all with one thing in common- they got close to, or touched the same surface as an infected person.