Covid in schools

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Am in NW. Family of teachers throughout the area. Schools seemed safe when numbers were low....gradually got worse....in fact am now scared to death. Bubbles bursting every week.... management only tell you on a need to know basis if anyone has tested positive. Staff now getting it....children falling ill in class. Trying to social distance but you can’t and no masks yet you know Covid is in school. I hope it doesn’t get worse for everyone’s mental health.

Covid is coming in from the community?

It’s what it does once it’s in that’s the problem, spreading around like wildfire and then being taken home and into shops etc.

Are schools not audited on covid compliance?

I think it's to be expected that the virus will spread through schools just like its spreading through universities, offices and communities. It's a virus that can't be eliminated easily, unfortunately.

I feel that vulnerable children, teachers or those with vulnerable family members should be allowed time away from school and looked after financially.

Are schools not audited on covid compliance?

Even with the strictest 'COVID compliance' you probably can't eliminate the virus unfortunately.

Are schools not audited on covid compliance?

Risk assessments are signed off by the health people.

But that’s no use because the risk assessment have to comply with government guidelines which are useless. No masks in classrooms, no making use of extra space, no money for extra cleaning.

‘Are schools not audited on covid compliance?’😂😂😂😂

By who? They write a risk assessment and that’s about it! Boris doesn’t give a shit.

It is really worrying and I particularly feel for parents in the north west who have to listen to people again and again in other areas banging on about how there are no issues where they live so they're whinging about nothing.

And as for the disregard shown to the staff in this sector, I have no words!

Thankfully the us for them ethos has now been thorough debunked though, so that's progress.

No, schools are not audited in any meaningful sense, because to do that would require data on whether the current measure taken are reducing risk, and the data isn't available to people who would need it.

Lots of parents encourage play dates and parties outside of school, probably without any regard to 'covid security'! So of course it's very possible and even likely that cases are brought in from the community.

So of course it's very possible and even likely that cases are brought in from the community.

Absolutely, you can't magnify what isn't there - but if it gets in, school isn't a place it burns out, it seems.

@GirlCrush

Covid is coming in from the community?

It’s what it does once it’s in that’s the problem, spreading around like wildfire and then being taken home and into shops etc.

Are schools not audited on covid compliance?

That is the most clueless post I have read. It’s funny to think people actually believe there is such a thing as ‘COVID compliance’. You believed Boris when he said that’s schools were COVID secure didn’t you?

There is no evidence that COVID is actually being transmitted within school buildings- which are all COVID secure.

It is far more likely that transmission is occurring elsewhere and then DC are bringing it into school.

Remember Dr Jenny Harries says the biggest danger in terms of transmission in schools is staff rooms and teachers’ coffee breaks. I have certainly heard stories of teachers meeting up with each other and not socially distancing at lunch times.

‘Covid secure’😂😂😂😭😭

What bloody school do you work in? Ours isn’t.

We cannot eliminate the virus from schools nor anywhere else really. We need to learn to live with it imo.

Most pupils and teachers won't be affected by it. My dd is at Uni where most everyone she knows has tested positive but without any or only very mild symptoms. Hoping they'll have some immunity for a while now!

Ecosse can’t explain this graph.

Just a bit more rope! It's getting long now

Those charts show cases, not hospitalisations or deaths.

And Dr Jenny Harris?! Who takes any notice of the lies and shit she talks. Blaming the staff is much easier.
😡😡😡😡

So, Lavendersy? When the argument is that it isn't being transmitted in schools, that graph is pretty hard to argue with.

Good to see you try to switch the topic though. And you know that data isn't being published for schools.

There is no evidence that COVID is actually being transmitted within school buildings- which are all COVID secure

Schools are Covid secure?!
Hahahaha this comment has made me laugh...
I’d like to see how many teachers actually believe that their school is Covid secure.

Remember Dr Jenny Harries says the biggest danger in terms of transmission in schools is staff rooms and teachers’ coffee breaks. I have certainly heard stories of teachers meeting up with each other and not socially distancing at lunch times

This may be true in some places but it’s certainly not my experience and it’s actually quite insulting!
Myself and my colleagues are in a constant state of vigilance and doing everything we can to mitigate our own risks and the risks to the children in our care.
Being afraid of getting coughed on, sneezed on, just generally getting to close to another person in tiny cramped classrooms is extremely stressful for everyone.

@Ecosse

There is no evidence that COVID is actually being transmitted within school buildings- which are all COVID secure.

It is far more likely that transmission is occurring elsewhere and then DC are bringing it into school.

Remember Dr Jenny Harries says the biggest danger in terms of transmission in schools is staff rooms and teachers’ coffee breaks. I have certainly heard stories of teachers meeting up with each other and not socially distancing at lunch times.

Interesting. Is this the same Dr Harries that said children don’t share lunchboxes. The same Dr that has proven time and time again she’s not stepped foot in a school recently? Much like you, if you did, you’d know staff aren’t getting breaks.

Try harder.

Dr Jenny Harries said that kids wouldn't transmit covid to each other in classrooms because they were all facing forward. She forgot that kids can turn their heads. She also forgot that teachers would be stood in front of all those forward-facing kids.

what the WHO thinks - basically more information about transmission in schools is being gathered and it is a growing concern

So early studies did not clearly show transmission in schools

However, information is limited and gathered early in the epidemic — to be interpreted with caution

Adolescents transmit virus as often as adults and more readily than young children

Children with symptoms carry as much virus in the nose, mouth and throat as adults, but for shorter periods

Children show peak respiratory viral load early after symptom onset, followed by a rapid decline.

Prolonged fecal shedding is more common in children than adults; but infectivity of virus in stool is uncertain

Information on age-related infectivity continues to evolve and may change

The risk of outbreaks [ I think they mean transmission in educational settings] rises when community transmission is high

Large outbreaks can occur in specific circumstances

Ø Israel: 178 cases (153 students 12-18 years and 25 staff) in a high school 10 days after reopening;

affected classes were crowded with few measures in place

Ø Georgia, USA: 260 cases among staff and campers (6-19 years) in an overnight camp

Ø In both these instances, prevention measures were weak

• When there is widespread community transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or the number of cases is rising, preventive and protective measures in schools are even more important

Reported outbreaks underscore the importance of rigorous preventive measures in schools when COVID-19 is circulating in the community

Ø Schools should have outbreak prevention and management plans ready before resuming classes
• Closure of schools should be considered only if there is no other alternative [but it seems can certainly be considered]

Ø More caution is necessary regarding secondary... schools and older students compared to primary schools

Community transmission is reflected in the school setting
Ø Public health measures in the community are essential to protect schools from amplifying transmission*

WHO advice on schools

also has lots of advice that we aren't following

@Itisasecret you are rude. Where is the need for that

Covid compliance..... so is anyone even bothering in schools? Guidelines are issued, who enforced them? Checks etc? Who is refilling your hand sanitizers? Someone must care and be ensuring the basics are met!

I’m a retail manager, and our company does do audits, checks, sends in a ton of ppe. We are welcoming in the public as well as keeping employees in store up to 8 hours a day. We have a duty of care. We live and breath covid covid covid right now, trying to balance our normal job with staying safe. Is there any point to this battle if schools have given up? It’s half term and our stores are full of kids right now

Feedback from customers is starting to change and I’m detecting some hostility around children. Not what we want is it!?

@herecomesthsun lots of advice you aren’t following? Can I ask why?

Ecosse talking rubbish again.
Staffrooms have been closed in all schools that I know of, and I have lots of teacher friends in other schools.
We are not even getting wee breaks, let alone coffee breaks.
To be honest I haven't known of any teachers sitting around in a staffroom chatting for about 10 years due to workload - lunch is bolted at your desk while planning / setting up / marking / phoning parents.
Staffrooms were however used for staff briefings, but now it's all by email.