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Schools open for half a term now with no serious cases...

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RubyandBen · 20/10/2020 19:09

I know there's been lots of DC and teachers off either because they've had CV or been in close contact with someone who has. But it seems there hasn't been anyone very ill (hospital ill) because of this. So measures do appear to be working. As it's sounding like only the ecv are going to be getting vaccinated (if one ever appears), should just the DC with CV stay off school and parents be given the choice to keep their DC off if in the same bubble? Would be much less disruptive.

OP posts:
Grobagsforever · 24/10/2020 09:54

@Worriedmum999

The story is horrific but is also most likely Facebook twaddle. The style of the writing, the fact she's shared a picture of her 'child' all over the web etc etc.

middleager · 24/10/2020 09:56

A TA in her 50s at a local school died of it. It did not make front page news.

middleager · 24/10/2020 10:06

@Oblomov20

I agree OP. 2 cases in Ds1 & Ds2 's secondary. And the bubble that was asked to isolate was tiny. No other year groups affected.

All other secondary's round here similar.

So I think we've done we'll do far to make it to October 1/2 Term.

Your experiences are not mine. Both my sons' different secondaries have multiple cases. My one son has had two lots of self isolation since September. His year alone has had a case every other week.

I work with 20 schools and most have had multiple year groups off. In one case the school had to close.
It's absolute carnage.
Take your blinkers off.

Starlight101 · 24/10/2020 10:06

[quote Grobagsforever]@Worriedmum999

The story is horrific but is also most likely Facebook twaddle. The style of the writing, the fact she's shared a picture of her 'child' all over the web etc etc.

[/quote]
It’s not Facebook twaddle Hmm The mum is in the BRTUS group which campaigns for a safe and sustainable schooling. I’m happy to ask her to post on here. Maybe her experience might turn on a few of your empathy switches.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 10:20

@middleager that is so sad. Sorry to all those affected badly by this horrible virus.
Shame on those who minimise other peoples experience especially op who has been so disrespectful.
Incidentally we had a letter today saying that their have been no cases in one of dds secondary schools. A big relief with dh being ECV. Probably because our Town has an infection rate of abou 12 per 100K now. The wider area is about 50 so the secondary her friend goes to with a wider catchment is not so lucky. Indeed her friends from that school are currently SI.
It does not tske a genius to work out that schools play a part in community transmission and vice versa. The resolve to keep schools open whatever is very admirable but it still clearly comes at a cost.

Namenic · 24/10/2020 10:24

It’d be hard to think about all the contacts of the children. Eg - asymptomatic key worker kids (some of whom are kids of healthcare workers) may pass it onto their parents. The parents work come into contact with lots of ill people and could spread it. These kids need to be in school because otherwise health system will collapse.

In addition, if asymptomatic cases increase in schools and in population, when ecv people need to seek clinical care (they are more likely on average to need this), they will be at increased risk on transport, in waiting areas and clinic appointments because population prevalence is high.

ForthPlace · 24/10/2020 10:41

As I've said on another thread, a TA has died in one of the schools I work with this week. Mr J will be terribly missed, it has devastated his family, the children he works with and the community of the school No media coverage of this at all. I have. HT who is very poorly and numerous teachers. A Chair of Governors has also died.

Cases are rising, but councils are political. Mine is a conservative council, we very much have to 'toe the line'. LA jobs are politically restricted so of course on a political level we can't go against 'the message'...and that is that schools are open and safe.

We are also having to work to be positive, a 'positive spin' if you like, because we want children in school for their sake.
We are also under daily scrutiny by the DfE with a phone call every day to explain ourselves. We discuss LA pupil attendance, numbers of schools closed, reasons, home learning plans, etc etc.

And confidentiality, we can't go to the press with details of cases. In fact we have our own media team who are directed to put out positive school stories, to build parent confidence.

Yet cases have risen massively. I see the DfE data return. We have over 400 positive COVID cases in the LA schools ( low tier area). We have 42 outbreaks. We have 16 schools with full closure and 123 with part closures.
We're hoping that half term will slow the rise.

It is too simple a view to think that the press will be full of deaths and ill school staff.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 24/10/2020 11:00

I think they should have to report the percentage of cases daily that are in school and there should be more transparency over deaths by occupation. I’ve not seen anything recent which is more worrying as why is it no longer being shared.

TiersTiersTiers · 24/10/2020 11:12

I don't know how many teachers there are in say the UK and how many TA's..... the number must be huge.
It is dreadfully sad when anyone dies and of course no one knows where they caught the virus adult to adult from a child etc. Ecv people should be given the opportunity to wfh since if bad it a particular school then the demand for online work from isolating students should mean staff at home could work on that side.
However, I don't think schools should close.
Obviously some areas have higher rates than others so a broad brush close schools is wrong.
More needs to be investigated to why some areas are managing to keep rates down when other areas cannot

HarryBlackberry1 · 24/10/2020 11:22

This post is unbelievable. There ARE teachers and support staff very ill and hospitalised with Covid. There is no social distancing in schools at all. It's business as usual. But let's just let the parents decide whether to send possible infected children into school. School staff's lives are seemingly worth nothing.

Vargas · 24/10/2020 11:30

So do some of you want schools closed until there is a vaccine?

I am confused as to what people are angling for.

I have children at 2 large secondary schools. 1 teacher was seriously ill during lockdown, now recovered and back at work. 2 teachers off last month, not seriously ill, came back after self isolation. Not a single child seriously ill. But huge benefits to children's mental health from being back at school, and many of the teachers saying the same.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 11:40

I dont think anyone wants schools to close. I think they just want a bit more protection.
Teachers want a COVID secure work place and parents who are ECV with dc or have ECV dc want to not be threatened with fines or being forced to derigister if cases are high.
Having a system allowing some choice for those vulnerable would mean more social distancing in schools and presumably less transmission.
Unfortunately it eould require investment and a Govt who gave a toss.

MJMG2015 · 24/10/2020 11:43

[quote RubyandBen]@Incacat2
I know 3 secondary teachers in intensive care with Covid. That's just in my area
So 3 teachers currently in one hospital ITU? What are the chances of that?[/quote]
Bloody high, you're either incredibly naive or incredibly goady.

There are none so blind as those who will not see

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 11:46

They Just see what they want to see believing nothing that doesn't suit their agenda.

Tfoot75 · 24/10/2020 11:48

I totally agree I wish they'd put together some data and stop the total bubble isolation, it's likely to majorly disrupt the next term and a half and primary aged children aren't really spreading it, that's quite clear at this point.

Yes, there will be casualties, this is a pandemic, people will die. That doesn't mean we have to totally wreck a whole generation's life chances. If you're on the 'front line', you do have a choice, unlike soldiers 80 years ago.

MJMG2015 · 24/10/2020 11:52

YouSetTheTone

I just find it hard to believe that there is some nationwide conspiracy to suppress the truth about about teachers and their health that is actively being colluded in by the schools themselves and the press

Some schools have told staff they are not allowed to make it known they have COVID or live without someone who has. Or that they've even had a test.

It's being massively down played to keep parents going to work.

Same with hospital & carehome staff.

herecomesthsun · 24/10/2020 11:52

@Tfoot75

I totally agree I wish they'd put together some data and stop the total bubble isolation, it's likely to majorly disrupt the next term and a half and primary aged children aren't really spreading it, that's quite clear at this point.

Yes, there will be casualties, this is a pandemic, people will die. That doesn't mean we have to totally wreck a whole generation's life chances. If you're on the 'front line', you do have a choice, unlike soldiers 80 years ago.

Oh right because I would like them to apply proper infection control procedures. The whole point of a bubble is that if you get infection in it, the bubble closes and not the school.

We need better scientific education. For the children. And for the parents, it seems.

MJMG2015 · 24/10/2020 11:53

@Tfoot75

I totally agree I wish they'd put together some data and stop the total bubble isolation, it's likely to majorly disrupt the next term and a half and primary aged children aren't really spreading it, that's quite clear at this point.

Yes, there will be casualties, this is a pandemic, people will die. That doesn't mean we have to totally wreck a whole generation's life chances. If you're on the 'front line', you do have a choice, unlike soldiers 80 years ago.

No, it's NOT quite clear at all.

Do you think the increase in cases/hospitalisation/deaths since the schools went back is just a coincidence.

FLOF

Ginogineli · 24/10/2020 11:58

Of course teachers will die

Like other employees sadly

The issue is whether more teachers are dying than others which doesn’t seem the case?

No added risk it seems so far

In dds school there hasn’t been much disruption dispite many cases as the school have prepared a tracking system so only those close contacts are sent home

Kids are allocated seats in every class which minimise contacts

If schools are still sending full year groups home then parents need to challenge as theylre are many schools who haven’t done that and aren’t making decisions without phe so are following correct procedure - they’re just better at reducing bubble size

All state schools should be doing this as standard

Even our year 7 who had 4 cases only set home 30/140

Mistressiggi · 24/10/2020 12:05

Quite right ginogineli So let's get everyone back to work as normal please. I don't want to speak to my GP in a phone appointment, let's meet face to face. I've had a 14 minute appointment with our solicitor, first face to face one after many zooms. I can't see a dentist. I can't get a hair appointment as they have reduced numbers allowed in the building. My bank says staff are answering enquiries from home - why aren't they all back? Why did kwikfit and Tesco and local shops all install screens and limit customers?
Let's get everyone back to work, some people will die but then they always do, that's your reasoning right?

Northernsoulgirl45 · 24/10/2020 12:06

The issue is whether more teachers are dying than others which doesn’t seem the case?

Do we have data to prove or disprove this?

VillageGreenTree · 24/10/2020 12:08

They aren't specifically reporting teachers/TAs rates of COVID.
It's not just about rates in children/teachers though. Schools returning have causes big surges in rates of infection across populations. This affects the health service as they become overwhelmed, staff are moved from their usual specialities to work on COVID wards and so waiting lists go up and people die.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-r-rate-school-closures-lockdown-lancet-study-b1251617.html%3famp

sunflowers246 · 24/10/2020 12:12

That's good news.

Also it appears that cases among 11-20 year olds are start to fall. Hope those who've had it will have some immunity for a while!

Tfoot75 · 24/10/2020 12:30

It IS quite clear. Both positivity rates and case rates by age very clearly show that primary aged children are catching it in much lower numbers than any other age group. That's despite them being the only group that doesn't social distance and spends all day intermingling with 29 others. Honestly if you can read this you can read data. What's the point in carrying on believing the problem is primary aged children? It isn't. Move on.

sunflowers246 · 24/10/2020 12:33

This shows cases coming down in Secondary age:

Schools open for half a term now with no serious cases...
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