Two week circuit breaker - who's in favour?

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Keir Starmer is in favour - so are you?

If they did it over the next two weeks I actually wouldn't mind that much, as it's half term.

I am not in favour of a national lockdown, many areas have relatively low numbers and I don't see the point in crashing the economy in those areas just to provide moral support for other areas, some other areas do need a strict lockdown, so in essence I support the tier system already outlined (plus of course better Track and Trace).

The UK has a few huge flaws which are meaning a lockdown won't work, the most obvious being that it is still banging on about only going for tests if you have symptoms, when up to 80-90% of people, and thus spread, is asymptomatic. They cannot move towards wholescale mass testing as they don't have the capacity, so this capacity saving measure means we haven't a clue whose really got it and how it's spreading- once you do wider testing you find whole clusters of people like universities, but I bet if they had tested some workplaces/factories as well like that, similar would have been discovered.

We have an outbreak at our uni, it's really large, the students had a no moving between household policy, and after two weeks, numbers are down instead of constantly rising.

Lockdowns are all about not shifting between households IMO but the problem with the testing of only symptomatic people will mean we can't get fully on top of this.

Yes. Can't see Boris doing it, though, as it'll look like Starmer has pressured him into doing so.

I can’t support it, until they put a proper financial support package in place. I volunteer at a food bank. We’re seeing increased demand every week. We have parents in tears because they can’t feed their children. It’s easy to say lockdown when you’re not having to queue for a food parcel for your family. The people who I’m seeing wish their primary concerns were what would happen if they had an accident and the hospitals were full. They can’t worry about anything except the fact their children are about lose the roof over their heads.
I’ve said before, but safe doesn’t just mean free from the virus. Not having Covid-19 means a lot less, when you can’t afford to turn your heating on.

I also think people are massively underestimating the people who HAVE to go to work. I’m a prison officer, there are over 23,000 of us. We can’t work from home, distancing is at times impossible, many of the people in our households are also in essential jobs. Unfortunately this is a transmission risk. My Mam’s partner services and repairs ambulances. He needed to be at work (he can’t always work alone) During the first lockdown my car broke down, thank god the AA and the garage that did the repairs were open or i (and many others) couldn’t have gone to work. We had a pipe burst round the corner from us. There was a team of workers came to fix it. They also HAVE to work. My grandmothers boiler packed in at the very end of March, thank goodness for the gas engineer who was still working. Or are people actually suggesting that we should have let the water continue to pour down the street, and leave an already vulnerable woman with no heating and hot water for the better part of 3 months?

Oh yes- and push the park nearer to winter too! What a fcking fabulous idea! 🙄

No! Please no.
The last one started at just 3 weeks....
I think this virus is here forever now.
When in history have we quarantined the healthy for so long.

No, fuck this shit.

We are committing comic suicide.

No way. There are barely in any cases in some places, people in those areas also had few the first time around. Why would you lock down the whole country? I think it is better and more affective to target the problem areas. I also worry about all those missing out on vital operations, even in areas where there have been few cases hospitals have not been doing operations.

I am BUT there are so many selfish twats out there there's literally no way everyone will do it so what's the point?

If we do full Lockdown again we need to go full Chinese Police on the anti-mask/conspiracy aresholes & get cracking heads with truncheons.

I am, of course, being glib.

Well, a BIT glib

economic even.

We have parents in tears because they can’t feed their children. It’s easy to say lockdown when you’re not having to queue for a food parcel for your family. The people who I’m seeing wish their primary concerns were what would happen if they had an accident and the hospitals were full. They can’t worry about anything except the fact their children are about lose the roof over their heads

Exactly. It must be nice for those people to have the luxury of worrying about “what if” at some point on the future when MANY people can’t survive right now. I notice most people pro lockdown in my area are very comfortably off so of course it will barely affect them

Yes. 3 weeks now INCLUDING SCHOOLS & 4 weeks over Christmas.

Fire Dido & get someone competent in.

Get numbers down, T&T actually working
And allow parents who want to, to keep their kids home without a fine or without losing their place until the Spring term.

@Chaotic45

Beds are filling up. Awful decisions will need to be made. Many vivid patients are in ITU for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Beds will run out.

If you, you mother, your son or your friend needs a bed because they have been in a car accident, had a stroke, or have Covid there simply won't be a bed.

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Yep, spot on. I can't get my head around the fact that other people can't get their head around it! They might be thinking they are more vulnerable to redundancy than covid, they may be correct, right up until they themselves or their family need health care for something.

As I think has been noted earlier, its going to be two weeks though is it? If they get to the end of the fortnight and cases / hospitalisations are the same or still rising, they arent going to lift the circuit break. It's another national lockdown by the back door with a fancy re-branded name.

Everything but supermarkets and doctors/ hospitals closed

What about telecoms workers? Gas and electric suppliers? The water board? Police and the armed services. Criminal court staff and prison officers. Delivery drivers. Home carers. Post men. Bank staff. Refuse collectors. Fire brigades. Emergency plumbers & electricians. Undertakers.

That’s just off the top of my head - there are far more people working to keep society going that doctors and nurses. And don’t forget the transport staff who get them to work

@Hopeful201

No way. There are barely in any cases in some places, people in those areas also had few the first time around. Why would you lock down the whole country? I think it is better and more affective to target the problem areas. I also worry about all those missing out on vital operations, even in areas where there have been few cases hospitals have not been doing operations.

There isn't anywhere that numbers aren't rising. Short & sharp before it gets WAY out of hand is a MUCH better solution.

Buckwheat80 If they get to the end of the fortnight and cases / hospitalisations are the same or still rising, they arent going to lift the circuit break. It's another national lockdown by the back door with a fancy re-branded name.

This^^

Yes we can't leave things as they are.

@MJMG2015 how am I supposed to work if school is closed? We can't all work from home.

Child in school, I'm at work in school, partner working from home. So, in Keir Starmer's 'circuit breaker' nothing would change - apart from I wouldn't get to go to our place in Cornwall, which would be shit.

Plus every man and his dog is planning to go away for a break over half term which will spread the virus absolutely everywhere. A lockdown would put a stop to that!

@starfro

I can see why state employed and WFH people are in favour and would be quite happy locking down every couple of months for years to come.

For the rest of us in the real economy the economic situation is far more serious than a respiratory virus.

This. This. This.

I was in favour until i read it would push the numbers back by 28 days, that seems a bit pointless really. I don’t know what the best thing to do is, it’s a ‘loose, loose’ situation.

Short & sharp before it gets WAY out of hand is a MUCH better solution

Is it bollocks.

We had a lockdown before, remember? And here we are, seven months later, talking about whether to have another one.

That's because they don't work.

Covid isn't an enemy that can be defeated. It's a virus, like a lot of other viruses that people haven't lost their livelihoods over.

@Waxonwaxoff0 schools will still be open Kier was adamant.

@Worriedmum999

Plus every man and his dog is planning to go away for a break over half term which will spread the virus absolutely everywhere. A lockdown would put a stop to that!

Well, I'm not, because I have no money thanks to the first bastarding lockdown.