Two week circuit breaker - who's in favour?

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Keir Starmer is in favour - so are you?

If they did it over the next two weeks I actually wouldn't mind that much, as it's half term.

No - I don't want one.

I've lost my job and my mental health has suffered throughout this lockdown.

If, we have 2 weeks in lockdown again, that's 2 weeks pay and that could pay for rent.

It's okay saying yes to lockdown if your job is safe and mental health is OK.

We need a balance.

Yes, but only if it is a full on, major lockdown and not a half arsed one. Everything but supermarkets and doctors/ hospitals closed. Don't go out your street for 2 weeks and put brilliant TV shows on to keep entertained.

Beds are filling up. Awful decisions will
need to be made. Many vivid patients are in ITU for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Beds will run out.

If you, you mother, your son or your friend needs a bed because they have been in a car accident, had a stroke, or have Covid there simply won't be a bed.

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[quote SqidgeBum]@PracticingPerson, no it's an exercise in locking everyone away so people dont die now, but they die in december or january when things inevitably open up, and we are still in flu season. We cant do this every 2 months. [/quote]
Why not?

The more people know lock down isn’t forever they better they can implement it when they have to.

Track and trace isn’t going to work ever. One loads of people don’t have a smart phone and loads of people won’t download it in case they do have to isolate by law.

Yougov poll says voters back it 54% in favour 28% against

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/10/13/eb138/1?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=daily_questions&utm_campaign=question_1

2 weeks pay lost*

@IfIHadAHeart Thank You for what you do

@Chaotic45

Beds are filling up. Awful decisions will need to be made. Many vivid patients are in ITU for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Beds will run out.

If you, you mother, your son or your friend needs a bed because they have been in a car accident, had a stroke, or have Covid there simply won't be a bed.

This

Is

What

We

Need

To

Avoid

Absolutely this.

Deaths from.non-covid causes being untreated will rise soon if we don't take action.

Yes - absolutely support it.

I am in favour of a circuit-breaker.

@Hellohey my job is not safe. I've lost almost all my income and am not eligible for help. My mental health isn't ok either. But I still think that a very very hard lockdown for a short time is a good plan.

It will be better for my job and my mental health in the long run, and the NhS just might be available for me should I need it.

No.

I think its going to be necessary, and was apparently recommended by SAGE nearly a month ago, but I worry about the effect on businesses and want to know there will be support in place for them again.

Obviously cases will start to rise again after, if the government can't get test and trace in pace maybe they need to consider a scheduled 6 week cycle of 2 weeks lockdown, 4 weeks T1 over the winter. At least that would give businesses something to plan around.

@PracticingPerson doesn’t surprise me. So many people think there is an easy answer to this, “Lockdown for 2 Weeks” and then what? We had a lockdown for longer and cases are still rising. Spain had much harsher lockdown and cases are rising, same in France and even Germany.

Too many people want easy answers, but not to actually to adhere to rules (isolating with symptoms or exposure).

For those saying we need to do this, and we may have to do this every 2 months for the foreseeable, how do you expect the government to fund it? Who is paying the wages of people sitting at home for 2 weeks? Do you really think we can afford this and still have money to run hospitals? Its not as simple as 'hospital beds are running out'. They are, and that's a disaster, but there is this impossible situation to consider, where MONEY needs to come from taxes, from people working and spending, to fund those beds and doctors and nurses and supplies. Money isnt infinite. At some point we wont have any left.

Yes. Reasonable idea in the face of snowballing numbers.

Am totally in favour of a proper short lockdown which must include college and secondary school closures instead of the half-assed measures we are currently enduring in some areas which cause great misery and achieve nothing.

Yes sure when we know how many people a lockdown kills indirectly

People need the financial support to self isolate They are not getting it.

Track and trace won’t solve everything, so many leave false numbers, don’t have the app, won’t share contacts etc.

Add in those that feel they can “risk assess” around the laws and guidelines and something needs to be done to ensure those that need healthcare can get it when needed.

I recently went to Mallorca (quarantined for two weeks on return). There were lots of different nationalities there and they all thought that their government was the worst in their handling of Coronavirus. I was surprised that the three different German groups I spoke to thought the German government was useless. Half my friends think there should be another lockdown and half think that their will eventually be many more deaths caused by the serious economic downturn.

All it would do is push the can down the road by a few weeks, destroying businesses and livelihoods in the process

This.

To answer your "who's in favour?" question, OP, I would say: anyone who can WFH. Anyone who's furloughed. Anyone who isn't a parent of small children who need to be out and about, learning and socialising. Anyone who doesn't have teenagers whose exams are affected. Anyone who can't WFH but who thinks it's okay to leave their teenagers lying on their beds at home for a fortnight (because, let's face it, that's what they will mostly do). Anyone with a vulnerable child. Anyone who doesn't have a vulnerable child, but who likes seeing other people suffer.

Those are the people who would welcome it.

I started to have some income in August (hospitality), but that was one month. Tell me how I am supposed to support my family if we have another lockdown, even a short one.

Fortunately there are enough of us in the same boat to create a God almighty fuss about this.

[quote GreenGoldRed]@PracticingPerson doesn’t surprise me. So many people think there is an easy answer to this, “Lockdown for 2 Weeks” and then what? We had a lockdown for longer and cases are still rising. Spain had much harsher lockdown and cases are rising, same in France and even Germany.

Too many people want easy answers, but not to actually to adhere to rules (isolating with symptoms or exposure).[/quote]
I think a 2 week lockdown is an easy answer to the simple question 'what can we do to seriously cut cases in a month's time'.

Some of the questions are simple, such as:

Do we want our hospitals full to capacity?
Are cases rising too quickly?
Are we worried it'll worsen over winter?

Yes I'm in favour. Complete lockdown for two-three weeks.

[quote Chaotic45]@Hellohey my job is not safe. I've lost almost all my income and am not eligible for help. My mental health isn't ok either. But I still think that a very very hard lockdown for a short time is a good plan.

It will be better for my job and my mental health in the long run, and the NhS just might be available for me should I need it.
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Do you have savings though?

A lot of people don't have savings and are in debt.

We will just be in a pattern with this over and over again.

Even, if we had a lockdown for 2 weeks, I still won't dare try and see high risk relatives.

I think all its going to do is keep it away and then once guard is down, it'll come out again and like a washing cycle we're going around and around.

The only winner out of this is going to be poverty.