Two week circuit breaker - who's in favour?

[zafferana]

Keir Starmer is in favour - so are you?

If they did it over the next two weeks I actually wouldn't mind that much, as it's half term.

Yes, but god I’m annoyed we are in the situation where it seems like a good option.

What do people honestly hope to achieve by doing it? If we haven't been able to remix this dire shower of shit in over six months, what is two weeks going to achieve?! Nothing. Absolutely bugger all.

No one will comply anyway.

God I hate these new catchphrases.
It wouldn't work as people wouldn't comply as they aren't now.

If the last lockdown taught us anything is that it will just come back .

Can't see the point .

Track and trace cn be the best in the world but when loads of people give false or no details and loads don't isolate when told to it's bound to fail.

If we want to proceed like this we'd need to do one every 6-8 weeks until next summer. It's only October!

How many lockdowns are acceptable to people? 2,5,10,forever?

It's madness.

Lots of people would go away to see relatives or go on holiday perhaps? I would.

@tortoiseshell1985

No I'm probably going to be made redundant this week I don't know when I'll be able to find another one So many in the same boat, so many businesses sinking overnight I just can't see going to be much left

And this is what makes me so angry. People are losing their jobs and some their homes.

Calling for lockdown when you can comfortably stay at home with no money worries is very easy to do.

You genuinely believe it would really be just 2 weeks?

Life

Will the area under the curve be smaller by having multiple curves?

Not in favour of circuit break. Country and businesses can’t afford it.

Those saying we could do this if we had better track and trace. What do you say needs to be done/improved? Causing looking at the information from SAGE the issue seems to be people not self-isolating is the problem and a 2 week circuit break isn’t going to help that.

@YellowishZebra

What you have talked about below is a poor way of handling the situation by the school and not a standard way that all schools dealt with keeping schools open for KW and vulnerable children. That is a really poor decision by your school. Not all schools did it that way (thankfully) many handled things much better than that.

'YellowishZebra Tue 13-Oct-20 17:41:46
Not if I have to do keyworker/vulnerable child care - no way am I doing that again I'd quit my job before I did that.
Let's put all our children with SEMH needs all in one room with 1 TA, genius idea. That's before you add the sensitive cryers whose parents are working. Properly close the schools to everyone and I'll do my interventions online from home.'

I think it has to happen. Failure of the track and trace etc means we have to do something albeit reluctantly

Yes!

Yes, just do it! It's not just kicking the can down the road, it's a reset and overall fewer people will die. I have to work with over 30 people at a time, with no social distancing or PPE. I quite fancy staying alive. Shut down to bring cases down and do proper contact tracing and isolation. Seems like basic common sense to me.

No. I'd be on the verge of suicide like I was in March. No more lockdowns!

@GreenGoldRed

Not in favour of circuit break. Country and businesses can’t afford it.

Those saying we could do this if we had better track and trace. What do you say needs to be done/improved? Causing looking at the information from SAGE the issue seems to be people not self-isolating is the problem and a 2 week circuit break isn’t going to help that.

Bare minimum is:

People should be able to get a test when they need one.

The results should be back quickly and their contacts should be traced and tested.

NONE of these are currently being met.

Yes

Yes. Would rather limit the impact.

I guess for people who WFT, have stable finances, a public services job that will pay 100% wage whether working or not and/or love being at home it would be a yes. It's quite easy for the cosy to say lockdown.

For people that need to go out for a living, in businesses/job that are on teetering on the brink of collapse and don't have the luxury of finances to support sitting at home then no. Of people WFH that would struggle to work and home educate/look after young children.

I guess selfishness takes over when making the decision in most cases.

Absolutely yes. It's the only way to lower the rate of infection, hospitalisations and deaths. A regular two (or preferably three) week national lock down is the only way to achieve this until a reliable test and trace / treatment / vaccination is available. The economy is screwed anyway but at least with short lockdowns, it keeps it ticking along and businesses have some hope of survival.

Track and trace doesn't work. It hasn't worked anywhere in Europe.

If they couldn't put a system in place over the summer, they're not going to magic something in 2 weeks.

Trying something again and again that doesn't achieve its objective is the definition of madness.

@ColonSemiColon

Hello people who don’t want a circuit breaker because their areas have very low cases: so did many areas of the country in March. We all locked down because that’s what was needed. Some of those very low infection rate areas are now high infection rate areas.

And the more hospitals in those areas are overwhelmed the more likelihood of them shipping covid positive patience to areas of low incidence, inevitably leading to outbreaks there.

Yes, although I don't think 2 weeks is long enough.

Given where we are, in favour. Not just that, but I would have the university teaching online for at least the period until Easter, and have students return home if at all possible and definitely not be in halls etc next term.

@lockdownalli

Yes, although I don't think 2 weeks is long enough.

Oh yes it is! More than long enough. The last one was far too long.