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Women in France being forced to wear masks during labour

155 replies

Aprild25 · 13/10/2020 17:21

Just saw this. Really gave me the rage.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8834045/amp/Women-France-felt-like-suffocating-forced-wear-face-masks-childbirth.html

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JeanieInABottle · 16/10/2020 09:57

Apologies for my typing errors - post night shift !x

MangoFeverDream · 16/10/2020 10:59

Not comfortable I admit but there is no evidence that I’m aware of that to suggest they are unsafe to wear

No one is saying they are unsafe, but that limiting your ability to breathe properly when you are in horrific pain is not in the best interests of a labouring woman.

What next? Limiting gas and air to ensure she wears her mask like a good girl?

unmarkedbythat · 16/10/2020 11:01

I didn't want to be touched in labour at any point so would happily have had the midwives stay 2 metres away from me at all times. Added bonus if the masks had muffled their unhelpful attempts to coach to me to push.

cologne4711 · 16/10/2020 11:12

Masks don't stop you breathing properly but they do make it more difficult to hear what people are saying - and I would suggest that in a medical context it is pretty important that people can understand each other.

kateandme · 16/10/2020 11:19

firstly the dailymail?
second ive family and friends in france.
nurse :" wrong.into the ward yes.in labour no."
friend: "no.onto the ward yes.in labour no."

kersh33 · 16/10/2020 12:33

My experience wearing a mask in labour really wasn't that bad. Genuinely I think it sounds worse than it actually is. Of course as noted by others, we don't have gas and air in France. The pain relief options are epidural (which 80% of women in France choose) or nothing, which is what I had. In would think that if I can get through labour with a mask without an epidural, it should be even easier with one. I do understand that for those women who vomited it can't be easy, but I think that's often due to the pain relief which as I mentioned isn't a factor in France.

Funkypolar · 16/10/2020 13:03

JeanieInABottle - do you work in the NHS? No NHS Trust is making labouring women wear masks, my hospital certainly isn’t and RCM guidelines are that masks shouldn’t be worn.

DoveGreylove · 21/10/2020 12:54

I don't think people here seem to understand that it is currently standard procedure in many European countries right now, in order to protect the staff that are caring for labouring women. The UK has been so far behind...the last to do a lockdown, the last to have mandatory masks in public, testing is STILL a farce. The numbers are terrible. And people are moaning on behalf of women in OTHER countries.

Just do what you're told and get on with it. Where I am we all just accepted the rules and live our lives the best we can. It is what it is and we have to protect each other. I don't want to wear a mask when I give birth to my second child... but I will without calling it barbaric or cruel. And I won't get gas and air either but I don't know it any other way and don't really care anyway. Epidural all the way for me!

Jrobhatch29 · 21/10/2020 13:21

@DoveGreylove

I don't think people here seem to understand that it is currently standard procedure in many European countries right now, in order to protect the staff that are caring for labouring women. The UK has been so far behind...the last to do a lockdown, the last to have mandatory masks in public, testing is STILL a farce. The numbers are terrible. And people are moaning on behalf of women in OTHER countries.

Just do what you're told and get on with it. Where I am we all just accepted the rules and live our lives the best we can. It is what it is and we have to protect each other. I don't want to wear a mask when I give birth to my second child... but I will without calling it barbaric or cruel. And I won't get gas and air either but I don't know it any other way and don't really care anyway. Epidural all the way for me!

Hmmm well its not always easy to get an epidural in the uk. I had to fight for one with my first. So maybe that's the difference... If you're pain free a mask won't be as much of an issue.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 21/10/2020 13:30

I’m due immanently and would categorically not wear a mask if my last labour was anything to go by, in fact I’d forgo my husband being there for the sake of not wearing a mask. Anyone who thinks it’s an ok request has either not given birth or had an epidural.

LaBellina · 21/10/2020 13:33

That's awful and I feel deeply sorry for any woman who has to go through that.

I wonder if it will make some women avoid the hospital alltogether and opt for a home birth instead without any medical assistance, which would be a very dangerous trend.

Hardbackwriter · 21/10/2020 13:37

I'm due in Feb and I would do my best to wear a mask if the hospital said I must but I can't see it working in practice - last time I vomited throughout transition and struggled to stay still enough for the fetal monitoring band to not keep falling off so keeping a mask on my face and in place throughout seems... ambitious.

110APiccadilly · 21/10/2020 13:44

@cologne4711

Masks don't stop you breathing properly but they do make it more difficult to hear what people are saying - and I would suggest that in a medical context it is pretty important that people can understand each other.
I had a consultant mishear me and pass on incorrect information to my midwife (fortunately am opportunity later arose for me to correct it). I'm pretty sure the masks we were both wearing were at least part of the reason. This strikes me as potentially pretty dangerous (not just to pregnant women of course).
LaBellina · 21/10/2020 13:47

When I gave birth I struggled to breathe properly, baby wasn't getting enough oxygen because of this (I had to get on an oxygen mask) and they were preparing to do a C section because baby's heart rate was too low.

I imagine having to wear a medical mask would have made things worse and more dangerous.

Chessie678 · 21/10/2020 13:58

I don’t think I would have managed a mask during labour. I vomited very suddenly several times and the whole labour was very fast and painful. I didn’t have much control of myself at the end and would probably have torn it off. I feel quite faint after wearing a mask for an hour or so while carrying my baby so can only imagine how much worse it would be in labour. While masks may not be dangerous per se they would make labour much more uncomfortable and stressful which probably increases the risk of interventions which otherwise wouldn’t have been required so you are compromising women’s care and potentially their long term health for the sake of a tiny reduction in risk to medical staff (and I can’t imagine that me wearing a mask would have helped at all given all the vomiting). This policy subjects women who mostly don’t have coronavirus to an unnecessarily awful birth experience.

What’s really inhumane about it is that women are essentially forced. I would happily take the risk of giving birth at home rather than wearing a mask if it was just me but wouldn’t want to risk my baby not having medical care so would have had to try to wear one if this had been the policy.

I think the world has completely lost perspective here. Since when did medical staff refuse to treat people because they have a tiny chance of having an illness which is mostly very mild, particularly to people of working age. And insisting that a woman vomits into a mask while in intense pain is barbaric - as someone who gave birth recently this sounds close to torture.

MiniMum97 · 21/10/2020 14:31

That's ridiculous!

When I was in labour I couldn't have anything touching my skin and tore off all my clothes and ripped off and threw my tens machine across the room.

There is no way I could have worn a mask. I would have been giving birth alone then.

Dollywilde · 21/10/2020 15:32

I know someone who freebirthed due to fear of this. While I don’t support free birthing at all (I think it’s seriously negligent) I would be concerned that any rumour that a local unit was requiring masks would probably see a spike in stillbirths and as such it’s just not a risk that can be taken.

JeanieInABottle · 21/10/2020 20:46

In reference to messages up thread intended for me - I hadn’t seen that RCM guideline before - awful on my part I will admit. The trust I work in is very much pro- mask and pro PHE guidance and I just (stupidly) presumed RCM guidance would be in line with that.
I still feel hurt that we as a workforce are vulnerable from this point of view - when all we want to do is to continue giving compassionate care that women and babies deserve.

@Dollywilde on the flip side - what about the women who don’t attend when they do actually need midwifery/medical care for fear that they will contract Covid whilst in hospital/from health care staff?

It’s a scary scary time for women and I wish there was a way to make it all a little easier without potentially worsening this pandemic.

Funkypolar · 21/10/2020 20:55

My midwife and Trust has specifically said women in labour don’t wear face masks so I shan’t be wearing one. DH will be.

🤷🏻‍♀️

JeanieInABottle · 21/10/2020 20:59

And it isn’t necessarily about protecting us as healthcare staff. It’s about protecting us and preventing us from carrying and transmitting the virus further and where the general population should be minimising contact with those from outside of their household/bubble etc, we can’t necessarily minimise that contact.. because our jobs often rely on us providing close physical care.

Every time I have cared for a lady who has later tested Covid Positive, my first thought has always been ‘have I done enough to protect my other patients?’

And I’ll have done all I possibly could with correct PPE and hand washing etc but it’s a horrible horrible thought to be worrying about my role in protecting other women.

itwaseverthus · 23/10/2020 22:48

On a site for mothers, I have to say I find this thread very, very frightening. How quickly people have accepted the forced coverings for a disease that 99.9% of people survive. Women in labour? How about pushing for, as others have said, PPE for staff that works rather than stupid aprons? How about testing at the point of care for all staff and patients, delivered in minutes rather than days? Accepting this shit is the road to further horrors. Am staggered, more so than when I first commented. Mumsnet, where we just accept whatever is given to us.

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Chanel05 · 24/10/2020 03:20

Very awful! I gave birth in September by emergency c-section and was taken to theatre to attempt ventouse delivery before this as dd was transverse. I had to push in theatre for 5 whole minutes three times and I had to wear a mask. It was horrendous and exhausting and I literally fell asleep between pushes. I then had to keep my mask on for the c-section.

Chanel05 · 24/10/2020 03:20

I'm in England just for reference.