How can it be illegal to see a member of family? Even from 2m+? Even with a mask? What is this world

[Napqueen1234]

High risk area so likely to be tier three. In this modern world how can it be illegal to see any family for months and months on end. It’s cruel and unfair and completely unsustainable.

My issue is that I’ve just become so bored by all the rules changing, things switching and swapping all the time and listening to nonsensical rules and laws. It’s become so silly that I can’t take it seriously.

I wear masks everywhere I should so I don’t flout the rules, but nor am I overly fussed about them.

If numerous people turned up at my house now it wouldn’t occur to me to count them to ensure we aren’t breaking a law. I’ve just become switched off to it all I think.

@Napqueen1234

Aside from all the rules and regulations and what’s legal and what’s not- when do people think people will just stop complying? As in wide scale continuous flouting of rules by more significant numbers of people due to distrust in government/distress at not seeing family/not believing it will end. Do people think there will be civil unrest? More and more people are becoming increasingly unhappy whether people think this is right or wrong.

I really do hope there will be civil unrest. There have been protests about far less important matters.

ikeairgin please go and see your dad

I'm in S Wales too, our lockdown isn't ending anytime soon. However there are exceptions to the rules and compassionate visits/reasons etc are included. They are open to interpretation and if you were stopped (you wouldn't be) anyone would accept your reason to see your dad.

@ListeningQuietly

Personal risk assessment COVID is a disease where 75% of cases are totally asymptomatic (as per the ONS) where the risk of death among those under 60 is miniscule where the risk of needing medical treatment among those under 30 is miniscule

and week in, week out
thousands of British people are dying of cancer and old age and heart disease and random other things
while the country is trashed for COVID

I think you're missing the point. No one denies that the risk of dying of it is low.

The point is that even if a small percent of the population catch it, a small percentage of those will be ill enough to need hospital treatment. Thanks to decades of underfunding of the NHS, it is constantly at capacity. Every winter simply winter flu is enough to almost tip the NHS, particularly a and e, over the edge.

If we don't try to keep numbers down, a small percentage will need hospital treatment. It won't take much with the contagiousness of covid for the hospitals to become overwhelmed. That's what happened in the spring in Italy. That means that as well as people with covid, people with heart attacks, strokes and accidents etc will also miss out on treatment.

Arguably the government went too far to protect the NHS earlier this year, restricting access to the NHS too much. But ignoring the rules isn't going to help that.

@AntiHop

I'm astounded by the selfishness and short sightedness of some many people on this thread. No one is enjoying this. I miss my normal life, and seeing my friends and family regularly. But I understand the importance of keeping numbers low as possible so that public services aren't overwhelmed.

Those saying we should be doing our own personal risk assessment are not understing how the virus spreads. We can't make a decision about our own personal risks in isolation.

We know the risks of transmission outside are close to zero. There is no need to stop people in the higher risk areas meeting outside and feels more about panicky control.

If you stop people meeting outside in public. They'll meet inside in private. That's riskier isn't it?

@Fawnfour

My sister has also had a baby in lockdown, I saw him through a window. I really did not mean to come across as patronising or offensive. I understand why people are so angry, we are all fed up and angry, we all want to see our family and get back to a more normal way of living. I was simply just stating should we not all stick to the rules and ride this out, in the hope that we can have a more normal way of living

In seven months I've gone from never having to consult a gp about my mental health to waking up in the early hours in the middle of a panic attack and not being able to get my heart rate down for hours.

I've gone through many stressful events, but never have they once produced a panic attack.

This is what 7 months of isolation, of restricted movement, of not being able to access the healthy activities that I put in place that kept my mental health strong, of having new restrictions leaked to test the water before being announced with no proper detail and having to wait further to find out how it affected us, of having to support two teenagers and a pre teen through social isolation and through concern for their mental health that this situation has caused.

'Just' seven months so far but how long to recover?

@TrustTheGeneGenie

If you stop people meeting outside in public. They'll meet inside in private. That's riskier isn't it?

They will indeed.