Londoners - what do we think will happen next week?

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I read earlier that Sadiq Khan has said London will be treated as one. Cases are rising quite quickly but we are way way off Nottingham, Manchester etc.

I'm guessing Monday's announcement will say no mixing of households but hospitality will stay open. Can't remember where that fits into the tiers, maybe tier 2?

I'll be gutted if kids sport is postponed again

Not!

Not planned to be closed

I'm worried about what it means for us in a Leicester, we're at about 150/100,000 from the last numbers I saw, which if the bbc is correct would be tier 2 but it's fair to say restrictions haven't worked and we've been in restrictions since June 30th so would that put us straight into tier 3?

I suppose we'll have to see what the much trailed Tier system actually contains, and then what tier London is in.

The Mayr has said repeatedly he wants restrictions in place before cases start rocketing, in the hope they never do. But that's going to be quite a hard sell, despite being totally sensible.

So is tier 2 closing of cafés, pubs, gyms, sports, etc.?

@JacobReesMogadishu - I think we find out tomorrow

@JacobReesMogadishu based on BBC leaked info which may or may not be right, tier 2 is:

Alert Level 2 would be triggered in specific geographical areas or nationally where a rise in transmission cannot be contained through local measures.

People would not be allowed to meet anyone outside their household in private dwellings, including gardens. Visiting indoors in hospitality, leisure or retail environments would be restricted to one household, unless they are in a support bubble.

The second alert level also restricts visits to care homes to exceptional circumstances only, and people can only travel for essential reasons. The number of people allowed to attend funerals will also be reduced to 15 instead of 30.
Team sports will only be allowed if formally organised by a sports club or similar organisation, and attending any sporting events as a spectator in affected areas will be discouraged.

This seems to be recent, 100 for level 2..

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/11/three-tier-covid-plan-for-england-what-it-means-and-how-it-may-work

A lot of places in the south are much higher than we were when we went into local
Lockdown in greater Manchester in July/August. A lot of our rates were under 40 and lower....

They couldn't do it by borough, I live in Crystal Palace and triangle spans 5 boroughs - Lewisham, Bromley, Croydon, Southwark and Lambeth. It would be ridiculous.

Sally067 I can't even begin to work that out 😂

I have my mum's funeral in 8 days.

I don't want any further restrictions to make it more difficult than it is going to be.

If we can't mix households we're fucked as we are 5 households (dad, me and 3 siblings. All in separate houses)

We'll all move in with dad if we have to.

I expect it will go along the lines of what is described in this Guardian article (Three Tier Covid plan article).

As now for tier 1 (where infections 100 cases per 100,000)
Local lockdown for tier 3 (cannot remember the threshold in the article, sorry).

Crunchymum I'm so sorry for your loss. In your case I'd break any rule. Xx

Hopefully nothing and I hope BJ has more sense than to give more power to Khan

If it's a whole London approach, how many boroughs need to exceed 100 per 100,000 for Greater London to move to tier 2?

Because some boroughs already exceed that (Redbridge and Richmond, though latter might not be accurate)

There are more non drivers in London than elsewhere in the UK. The tube runs through boroughs across the city. How do you enforce an invidual borough lockdown?

Sadiq Khan is absolutely right to want preventative rather than after the horse has bolted reactive measures. Unfortunately I suspect he'll be ignored (and later on, after things get bad, we'll have some government advisor babble on about hindsight is a great thing...).

Still, the whole discussion over where restrictions would start and end demonstrates well the whole silly nonsense of trying to make this a regional thing. A virus doesn't respect made-up by humans land boundaries. Nor do people going about their everyday lives - they live, work, shop, and go to school across regions.

We need a coherent joined-up national approach.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

As for Richmond. It's worth considering its close proximity to Heathrow airport.

Heathrow would affect Hillingdon and Ealing, I worked in Heathrow for a short time, it’s its staff comes mostly from there, not Richmond

It's not only staff at an airport....all the international passengers will be making their way to and from the airport. Many using the tube or nearby bus and overground services. Local taxis and hotels too.

Rates are also rising in Ealing and Hillingdon.

I know a number of people in Richmond. They all have uni aged children several of who have bought Covid home. The families there tend to be established with older school age and uni aged kids.

Boris has been torally irresponsible in managing Covid in England. London has more cases than the whole of Scotland.

We followed an extra very strict lockdown plus other restrictions even though our cases are quite low. We've stayed at 2m Sd and have not opened things like soft play. Our schools opened and did well.

The news today said if strict restrictions were brought in to Liverpool and Manchester then their council wont support it. Can ppl really not cope without pubs for 2 weeks ?

Boris did not force people to ignore the precautions that have been blasted out of every tv and radio and newspaper since this begun. We all know what has to be done and if people don't do it because they are 'confused' that's not any politicians fault.

It's not complicated. We all know the basic concepts.

There are people who have followed the guidelines strictly and really suffered (parents of friends and older relatives of mine). And there are people that have said "I don't give a fuck if I get it and fuck you" and partied on/not bothered about masks etc. And there are people in between which I suspect is most of us.

But as ever it just takes a few fuckwits. Sadly the fuckwits can't be isolated together and the rest of us pay the price.

London has more cases than the whole of Scotland

Hardly surprising.

London has more people than all of Scotland (about 50% higher)

And one of the highest population densities in the planet (in the top 40 globally and 3 greatest in Europe )

It's not only staff at an airport....all the international passengers will be making their way to and from the airport. Many using the tube or nearby bus and overground services. Local taxis and hotels too.

It still won’t affect Richmond. Whatever bleep they have is not because of Heathrow.!The tube the arriving passengers use is Piccadilly or the train service into Paddington. Hotels are either airport side or central London. Taxis serving the airport call me from everywhere.

Evening standard says London will be tier 2.so no household mixing indoors but I don't know what else

@cheninblanc

Evening standard says London will be tier 2.so no household mixing indoors but I don't know what else

Yes just posted this seems to be the leak - Tier 2 for london from today.

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