Is anybody else actively avoiding being tracked and traced?

[Asterion]

I am actively avoiding anywhere that tracks and traces. Aside from having DC at school, which obvs I have no control over, we don't go anywhere (pub, restaurant etc) where they would need to take our details.

Reason being, I don't want to be at the mercy of someone who may have rocked up to that place and is now infected. It's more to do with the absolute balls-ache of having to self-isolate than a desperate fear of Covid, although you can never tell how you would get it.

Anyone else avoiding T&T?

I don't understand why people are so worried about being alerted by Test and Trace.
Surely your fear should be actually being exposed to Covid-19 by someone who has tested positive?
It's blowing my mind that people don't want to know if they have been close to someone who has tested positive. But they fear being told to self isolate because of the inconvenience?

I’ve been taking track and trace details

I’ve had people point blank refuse to give them

I’m legally not allowed to refuse them entry

I thought establishments (unless public services, hospitals etc) had the right to refuse anyone, bar for reasons of protected characteristics? Do you work in a public services area?

I don't understand why people are so worried about being alerted by Test and Trace.
Surely your fear should be actually being exposed to Covid-19 by someone who has tested positive?
It's blowing my mind that people don't want to know if they have been close to someone who has tested positive. But they fear being told to self isolate because of the inconvenience?

If I've actually come into contact with someone who tested positive, I have no issues with closing my business for the required length of time and self isolating. If the criteria T&T use is you were at X place on a certain date, but it turns out to be after the time I was there, I do have a problem being told I need to self isolate. This is because I have employees relying on me being able to keep our place of work open so they can pay their rent, bills, etc. The Government really need to clarify how they are using this information to allow people to make informed decisions.

@herethereandeverywhere

A family member has just confirmed she will be deleting the app. Apparently it told her to self-isolate for a week (does it do this?!) and she is only paid statutory sick pay for the time off. She cannot afford further time off so is removing it. I should add she is very risk averse, has been forensic about following the rules but can not afford to lose further pay. Surely there must be lots of people like this? I have been refused entrance to several places unless I download the app and check in. Felt very Big Brother.

There will be thousands like this, and its disgraceful that this fact seems to be avoided by those in power, as many just cannot afford to isolate when told to, especially potentially repeatedly. The only way this isolation thing will work in reality, is if some way is thought up to support people told to isolate when they cannot afford to do so on the offchance that they might have covid. No matter how many people shout at those who cannot afford it that they are selfish or don't care about others whatever, its not going to change the fact that they cannot afford it..

I can’t get my head around the “can’t do right for doing wrong” element of it. You get fined if you don’t take your child to school and you also get fined if you break isolation to take them (if you are a contact but your child isn’t). I just can’t get into all that, it’s too much.

Friend got around this by saying both her and her child were a contact. A lie. BUT, there have been many cases round here where parents have been threatened with fines for not taking kids to school, when the only way to get kids to school is to break the isolation rules themselves and risk a bigger fine! (and spreading potentially too)

I don't go anywhere anymore.
I'm out of work so at home every day and as I'm living off my savings, I'm living frugally.
I only walk up one if our mountains every day and come home.
I drive to Tesco for my click and collect weekly.
I've given up going to pubs and restaurants. One I'm skint but it's not what it was and depresses me.
The odd takeaway is my treat and I get that delivered.
I literally don't go anywhere.

@Asterion *No, I am not saying what you think I am saying.

I am avoiding places that take details, so that I don't have to give my details. No need for pitchforks!*

So when you said you “ realised the implications” ( of giving your details) what did you mean exactly? Because as far as I am aware the only implications of giving your details are being told to self isolate because you have been in contact with someone who is covid positive.

Anyone else avoiding T&T?

Oh the irony.

My hairdresser already has my details. I dont go to pubs or restaurants and i havent been in a coffee shop since March. I miss my Kaspas caramel lattes sometimes but make do with those Nescafe latte/cappuccino sachets that come in a box and drink them at home.

Most people on this thread are not actually going anywhere so how can they be selfish and spreading the virus

YY @WhentheDealGoesDown1 You saw./see exactly the same thing on here with masks. Not good enough that ppl are being even safer by just not participating or going to these places The truth is people want us out masked up and tracked and traced because they want us spending but they cant come out and say that so they twist it by gaslighting us and saying that we dont care enough about other ppl because we are staying at home

@Ilovemypantry @herethereandeverywhere friend cant afford to keep self isolating. She doesnt have that middle class privilege.

Everyone knows Covid is really spread by those who limit their movements and interactions. That's why local lockdowns are happening: too many people keeping themselves to themselves and not enough people going to pubs, restaurants, cafes and other public venues where they can check in on an unreliable app

No matter how many people shout at those who cannot afford it that they are selfish or don't care about others whatever, its not going to change the fact that they cannot afford it

No doubt the shouters will be expecting those who cant afford to isolate (which will likely include delivery drivers and supermarket workers) to deliver food to them in another lockdown if there is one.
After calling them selfish.

We don't stand a chance with this virus with these attitudes.

Yes You are totes right. 47 year old me who is teetotal and has actually never been drunk should start going to pubs and restaurants rather than staying away from places i didnt go to pre Covid because thats the key to stopping this virus. I didnt realize that Covid will sneak through the walls of my flat while im sitting at home.

Can you explain how me going to places that i didnt go to pre Covid or not going to coffee shops anymore is going to spread the virus

I"ll wait!

*how me NOT going to places that i also didnt go to pre Covid obvs.

I’m avoiding it now since I checked in at a coffee shop and then realised I couldn’t check out and was still in the cafe six hours later according to the app, when actually my visit was 10 minutes long to pick up a take away.

I don’t want to be forced to self isolate (again) for two weeks because someone with covid rocked up an hour or two hours after I left the cafe.

But even if you were there at the same time and your Bluetooth picked it up you’d not be asked to self isolate as your visit was 10 minutes not the 15 minutes needed - and then you’d need to be in range for the ten minutes

No one is having my details and telling me I have to self isolate just in case I MAY have been slightly near someone who is infected, so I simply don’t go anywhere. I am wfh again now, I have my shopping delivered and that’s it. For my family, especially for my dc, doing our usual activities are no longer fun so we’d rather, for now at least, not do them.

I don’t have it as I’m housebound atm. Thanks for the thread. Dh doesn’t go out much - work and has nipped to the chemist and shops for me a couple of times. We have food delivered. Must check he has downloaded it.

Yes and it’s stopped me using cafes. I take care anyway, sit well away from people. But if someone is the other end of a cafe from me when I’m there, and I then have to stay in for two weeks with three DCs??? No thanks.

If I thought there might be a common sense element to it eg proximity to my table then maybe. But the government has no common sense. It’s not even being shown to spread in cafes. Whereas kids in halls of residence? Worst decision ever. And the government wags its finger at us for non compliance! Fuck right off

I am lucky - I work from home.

I’m sick to the back teeth of the middle classes sneering at “selfish” people continuing to work or having to avoid a track and trace. They clearly have no idea of the poverty some people could be in. It’s disgusting behaviour and I have seen it in my well off smug friends waving their rainbows.

The app is not fit for purpose. Again.

@ivykaty44 please could you show me where to find this information? Because I have looked and not found it and it would be reassuring.

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But even if you were there at the same time and your Bluetooth picked it up you’d not be asked to self isolate as your visit was 10 minutes not the 15 minutes needed - and then you’d need to be in range for the ten minutes**

On the Gov website...

I found it last week and was a bit dismayed at how wishywashy it is

I’ll have a look and see if I can find a link