Is anybody else actively avoiding being tracked and traced?

[Asterion]

I am actively avoiding anywhere that tracks and traces. Aside from having DC at school, which obvs I have no control over, we don't go anywhere (pub, restaurant etc) where they would need to take our details.

Reason being, I don't want to be at the mercy of someone who may have rocked up to that place and is now infected. It's more to do with the absolute balls-ache of having to self-isolate than a desperate fear of Covid, although you can never tell how you would get it.

Anyone else avoiding T&T?

but i do whats allowed within the rules so as not to risk others also

That is the key thing though. Not everyone does this unfortunately.

[quote Thesearmsofmine]@ilovemypantry yes it would be a massive struggle as would having to self isolate repeatedly. It is a huge luxury if you do not have to worry about self isolating.
The majority of people do not want to catch COVID, hence all the talk on this post of avoiding places as much as possible so they don’t come into contact with it but of course there are places you cannot avoid going and it is a big concern for many people that they may be traced and have to isolate which will lead to difficulties financially. When people dismiss this and call people pathetic for being worried they are dismissing all those people who are out doing the low paid jobs you take for granted, the retail workers, the nursery nurses, the hairdressers etc etc.[/quote]
All those low paid jobs you mentioned are just the people that should self isolate if told to do so...they are all jobs that involve close contact with others so at huge risk of passing it on. This is why the virus is spreading so rapidly again. You have to look at the bigger picture, two weeks of self isolation or many weeks off due to illness, plus the danger of spreading the virus by not complying.

ilovemypantry you literally said “Truth is, there are no valid reasons not to download the app, just pathetic excuses”. That strongly suggests that you thought there were no valid reasons not to download the app, just pathetic excuses.

@FeckOffCup1

ilovemypantry you literally said “Truth is, there are no valid reasons not to download the app, just pathetic excuses”. That strongly suggests that you thought there were no valid reasons not to download the app, just pathetic excuses.

I do apologise. I should have said “no valid reasons not to download the app unless your phone is incompatible “. That, obviously would be the one and only reason, anything else is an excuse.

I thought it would have been obvious to anyone with half a brain 🤦‍♀️

Well judging by your recent contributions to this thread, you're well qualified to talk about having half a brain. Speaking of which, can you clarify for us, is never going anywhere that would require track and trace a reasonable excuse or does that count as unjustified and pathetic too?

Yes @Ilovemypantry of course they should isolate but part of ooking at the bigger picture also should acknowledge that these people could easily slip into financial difficulty should they be asked to self isolate repeatedly. That they shouldn’t be in the position of having to weigh up their options, they should be able to isolate without being concerned about keeping a roof over their heads or being able to feed their children.

You call these people pathetic when in reality the pathetic ones are those bleating on about the reckless low paid people who are scared about being traced without considering why that may be the case.

We are not really going anywhere at the moment as to have to isolate would be an absolute pain.

I am a secondary teacher so if I had to isolate because I'd been to a restaurant that would be my exam classes without a teacher for two weeks. Yes we can do teams etc. but it's not the same. Plus, our school are avoiding external supply so colleagues would be covering. Plus, DS would have to miss school and DH is self employed and would have to miss work.

I obviously go to work but I do click and collect at the supermarket. Not been to a pub/restaurant. Or anything else really e.g. soft play/cinema etc. We are going on walks/to outdoor parks/taking DS out with his scooter. Hoping our trip to the lakes for half term but it's an isolated holiday cottage so no one else there.

I think you’ve misunderstood. If people are avoiding test and trace by not going to places that require it this is a more effective way of avoiding exposure to the virus than going to the places and then being contacted when exposed

Actually i think you have misunderstood. I can hear @Ilovemypantry loud and clear when i read between the lines!! The only reason someone could be annoyed at people who arent going to places where the app is required despite the fact that STILL has the same result as less possible spread of the virus , is because some pension or investment of theirs is affected by people not going to these places and spending.

@CrappleUmble

I thought it would have been obvious to anyone with half a brain 🤦‍♀️

Well judging by your recent contributions to this thread, you're well qualified to talk about having half a brain. Speaking of which, can you clarify for us, is never going anywhere that would require track and trace a reasonable excuse or does that count as unjustified and pathetic too?

Is unbelievable the way some people deliberately act dumb just to try and get a reaction.

@Thesearmsofmine

Yes *@Ilovemypantry* of course they should isolate but part of ooking at the bigger picture also should acknowledge that these people could easily slip into financial difficulty should they be asked to self isolate repeatedly. That they shouldn’t be in the position of having to weigh up their options, they should be able to isolate without being concerned about keeping a roof over their heads or being able to feed their children.

You call these people pathetic when in reality the pathetic ones are those bleating on about the reckless low paid people who are scared about being traced without considering why that may be the case.

As I said before, not isolating when required could be a false economy. If you end up with the virus you could potentially be unable to work for a lot longer than the quarantine period and run the risk of passing the virus on to someone who is vulnerable and could get very sick or worse.

I know people who just give false details. They don’t want to be tracked and traced they are sick of the whole thing and want to just take precautions and get on with life we should be telling each other right from wrong we all have our own views on things

@HeIenaDove

I think you’ve misunderstood. If people are avoiding test and trace by not going to places that require it this is a more effective way of avoiding exposure to the virus than going to the places and then being contacted when exposed

Actually i think you have misunderstood. I can hear @Ilovemypantry loud and clear when i read between the lines!! The only reason someone could be annoyed at people who arent going to places where the app is required despite the fact that STILL has the same result as less possible spread of the virus , is because some pension or investment of theirs is affected by people not going to these places and spending.

I agree, the best way to stop the spread of the virus is to not go to places that are a risk. Failing that and if people really can’t keep away from pubs and restaurants, the next best thing is to download the app (providing you have a phone that is compatible...have to mention that otherwise people will start throwing a hissy fit) and self isolate if required to do so.

@Skyla2005

I know people who just give false details. They don’t want to be tracked and traced they are sick of the whole thing and want to just take precautions and get on with life we should be telling each other right from wrong we all have our own views on things

Oh well, that’s going to stop the spread isn’t it? Nobody wants any of this nonsense but we are where we are. Just saying you are sick of the whole thing doesn’t help anyone.

Still haven’t downloaded the app.

Is unbelievable the way some people deliberately act dumb just to try and get a reaction.

It is, and I was charitably assuming that was what you were doing at first. Are you not going to answer the question then?

I know people who just give false details. They don’t want to be tracked and traced they are sick of the whole thing and want to just take precautions and get on with life we should be telling each other right from wrong we all have our own views on things

But by giving false details they aren’t taking precautions are they?

If you don’t want to give details just stay at home then.

And then last week I read that the police have been instructed not to download the app. Presumably because doing so would result in too many police isolating and not enough left to work.

As I understand it,some police forces have asked their staff not to download the app onto WORK PHONES, not a blanket ban on having it on their personal phones.

@CrappleUmble

Is unbelievable the way some people deliberately act dumb just to try and get a reaction.

It is, and I was charitably assuming that was what you were doing at first. Are you not going to answer the question then?

Your question doesn’t require an answer, it’s blatantly obvious.

Perhaps to those of you with half a brain it might be.

I'm not going anywhere where I would need to check in and there is no way I'm downloading that app.

I'm happy to give my contact details if I go somewhere as that's no different to what I used to do before. I'm not using the app though. I did download it (after 4 attempts) but I've turned off contact tracing as I don't want false alerts. I've got an Apple Watch so don't always take a phone with me as I don't need it.

I've deleted the app today. I'm not averse to checking in where necessary, but I am averse to my phone regularly berating me for not having bluetooth on when I spend the majority of my time at home, outdoors or at an organised activity with appropriate precautions that exempt it.

If I have to temporarily check in, so be it, but that's very little of my time spent in that kind of environment.

It's a bit like my complicated mask aversion is safer than being willing to wear one, because I've reduced the need to be in the places where they are required to an absolute minimum. Wearing one reduces the risk of spread by a few percent (as I would require the thinest token gesture possible in order to reduce incidents of hyperventilating within a couple of minutes) but by physically not being there, I've reduced the risk of spread entirely within that setting.