Is anybody else actively avoiding being tracked and traced?

[Asterion]

I am actively avoiding anywhere that tracks and traces. Aside from having DC at school, which obvs I have no control over, we don't go anywhere (pub, restaurant etc) where they would need to take our details.

Reason being, I don't want to be at the mercy of someone who may have rocked up to that place and is now infected. It's more to do with the absolute balls-ache of having to self-isolate than a desperate fear of Covid, although you can never tell how you would get it.

Anyone else avoiding T&T?

I'm in another country. I haven't downloaded the app. Hardly anyone has it as many were concerned about it in the first places and others got sick of it so deleted.
It has been sending out false messages to people on a very regular basis. Lots of people have ended up quarantined for no reason whatsoever.
I absolutely cannot afford to lose any work (self-employed) because of something like that.
We have to leave details when going to restaurants etc. but I am avoiding anywhere where this happens. The reason is that far too many people have been sent into quarantine for 2 weeks because someone at some point in an entire afternoon or evening in a restaurant has tested positive. Again, I absolutely cannot afford to be in quarantine for 2 weeks because of a positive test of someone with whom I have had absolutely NO contact.
If there was some kind of sensible system where only people at the neighbouring table at the same time were quarantined and offered early release from quarantine with a negative test, then yes.
But as it is at the moment, the risk is too great.

Our government want us to support the economy and business by eating out etc. but at the same time, don't seem to realize that people are being put off because of the risk of quarantine. They need to stop sending all the people into quarantine who were in a restaurant at the same time and come up with something better.
In Germany, they are saying that about 75% of restaurant and bar customers give false information.

I haven't downloaded the app but I'm more than happy to leave my contact details on paper at the very few places I do actually frequent and of course would of course isolate if required, as long as I do isolate when required it doesn't matter how I was notified does it?

No, they’re pretty high (although not as high as the north). Just google.
And much higher than where I live.

What's all the about t&t at the supermarket? I've never been asked to do this or seen a QR code at any supermarket I've been to.

@BigBadVoodooHat

Totally agree with everything you said. I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else. This is why we will never get rid of this virus, too many selfish idiots who think they know best.

Are you being goady for the sake of it? How is someone avoiding going out socially because they don’t like the implications of leaving their details being a ‘selfish idiot’ who is increasing the spread of the disease?

I‘M honestly baffled that some people are interpreting ‘I avoid places where I will be in proximity of other people’ to mean ‘I don’t give a fuck if I flagrantly spread the disease‘.

It’s got to be goadiness, because no one could rationally equate these stances as meaning the same thing.

Goady! Great word

There's so much misunderstanding. The two things are independent of each other and have different purposes.

Worth repeating

So as I asked earlier, where DH works people have to check in via the app or give their details. The purpose in each case is to contact them in the event of a later confirmation of a positive case.

So what are the differing purposes of leaving your details in writing versus checking in via the app?

@Ilovemypantry
oh piss off.

why should i give my details? the app doesn't work as its supposed to - i am one of potentially hundreds of customers in Coffee Shop, and then one of hundreds in Library, and then 1 of hundreds in Cafe. And I go to Supermarket, encountering dozens of people that aren't required to T&T. The numbers are exponentially huge and lots are missing... so, by me not checking in, makes no fucking difference.

I haven't downloaded the app, I always give wrong details

and you wonder why we have lockdown instead
🤷

I image that most people that use the app turn the tracking off anyway and just use it for entry to places.

[quote Anotherpointofview1]Yes - because it's insane and doesn't work. inference-review.com/article/on-the-futility-of-contact-tracing[/quote]
excellent article

I have a Huawei phone and apparently it's too full of Chinese spyware to let the British one in as I can't download t&t.

I'll happily give my name and address if required. Although, I expected a totalitarian, dystopian future to be far more exciting than reciting my name and number for bored McDonald's workers so I can get the kids a happy meal.

[quote WinifredSanderson]@RichardMarxisinnocent I think you'll find you're wrong. [/quote]
Well having double checked, I don' t think even the first app was built by Serco so I was wrong in that.
Some info on the current app, including an interview with one of the developers:
www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-covid-19-tracking-app-contact-tracing
www.med-technews.com/features/nhs-test-and-trace-the-developers-behind-the-app/
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-serco/fact-check-serco-did-not-develop-the-nhs-test-and-trace-covid-19-app-idUSKBN26R2MK

Serco do manage some testing centres and provide some call handlers. I can't find any evidence to say they have anything at all do do with the app, and they themselves have tweeted that they don't. I would be happy to see your evidence that they built it.

Although, I expected a totalitarian, dystopian future to be far more exciting than reciting my name and number for bored McDonald's workers so I can get the kids a happy meal.

@Aridane

This thread is full of confusion

Do people not know that giving your details at venues and the covid app are two totally separate things?

There's so much misunderstanding. The two things are independent of each other and have different purposes.

Worth repeating

From what I have heard a lot of places are only letting you in if you check in via the app. So posters are not necessarily confused.

@BigBadVoodooHat

There's so much misunderstanding. The two things are independent of each other and have different purposes.

Worth repeating

So as I asked earlier, where DH works people have to check in via the app or give their details. The purpose in each case is to contact them in the event of a later confirmation of a positive case.

So what are the differing purposes of leaving your details in writing versus checking in via the app?

There is no difference between writing down your details and using the QR code.

The confusion is between leaving your details (in any format) and having the app that communicates with other app users via Bluetooth active and detecting other app users within a set distance.

Two different things altogether.

@iluvgab

I'm in another country. I haven't downloaded the app. Hardly anyone has it as many were concerned about it in the first places and others got sick of it so deleted. It has been sending out false messages to people on a very regular basis. Lots of people have ended up quarantined for no reason whatsoever. I absolutely cannot afford to lose any work (self-employed) because of something like that. We have to leave details when going to restaurants etc. but I am avoiding anywhere where this happens. The reason is that far too many people have been sent into quarantine for 2 weeks because someone at some point in an entire afternoon or evening in a restaurant has tested positive. Again, I absolutely cannot afford to be in quarantine for 2 weeks because of a positive test of someone with whom I have had absolutely NO contact. If there was some kind of sensible system where only people at the neighbouring table at the same time were quarantined and offered early release from quarantine with a negative test, then yes. But as it is at the moment, the risk is too great.

Our government want us to support the economy and business by eating out etc. but at the same time, don't seem to realize that people are being put off because of the risk of quarantine. They need to stop sending all the people into quarantine who were in a restaurant at the same time and come up with something better.
In Germany, they are saying that about 75% of restaurant and bar customers give false information.

Totally this.

I‘M honestly baffled that some people are interpreting ‘I avoid places where I will be in proximity of other people’ to mean ‘I don’t give a fuck if I flagrantly spread the disease‘
Because how else can they pat themselves on the back for checking in 436 times in the last week. Everyone knows Covid is really spread by those who limit their movements and interactions. That's why local lockdowns are happening: too many people keeping themselves to themselves and not enough people going to pubs, restaurants, cafes and other public venues where they can check in on an unreliable app.

@BigBadVoodooHat

Totally agree with everything you said. I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else. This is why we will never get rid of this virus, too many selfish idiots who think they know best.

Are you being goady for the sake of it? How is someone avoiding going out socially because they don’t like the implications of leaving their details being a ‘selfish idiot’ who is increasing the spread of the disease?

I‘M honestly baffled that some people are interpreting ‘I avoid places where I will be in proximity of other people’ to mean ‘I don’t give a fuck if I flagrantly spread the disease‘.

It’s got to be goadiness, because no one could rationally equate these stances as meaning the same thing.

I dunno, there's a lot of dim about when it comes to covid. It's amazing though that anyone would think they're morally better by going to places that require the app than people who choose to avoid them.

This is typical of the british mentality of looking to not do what's best for society and looking after oneself. Unfortunately the government will get the blame when it is really its rebellious citizens spreading covid and not participating in track and trace. Look how well asian countries have delt with covid with their very compliant populations who all seem to be able to wear a mask fine without countless medical "exemptions" and they are highly tracked. They will beat covid whilst we are still arguing about our right to sabotage the governments ability to control the virus.

@BigBadVoodooHat

Totally agree with everything you said. I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else. This is why we will never get rid of this virus, too many selfish idiots who think they know best.

Are you being goady for the sake of it? How is someone avoiding going out socially because they don’t like the implications of leaving their details being a ‘selfish idiot’ who is increasing the spread of the disease?

I‘M honestly baffled that some people are interpreting ‘I avoid places where I will be in proximity of other people’ to mean ‘I don’t give a fuck if I flagrantly spread the disease‘.

It’s got to be goadiness, because no one could rationally equate these stances as meaning the same thing.

I didn’t mention anything about people that are not going to places where they would be in contact with other people so no, not being goody at all. Obviously I was referring to people that go to pubs, restaurants etc but do not have the app or refuse to leave contact details.

@Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone

This is typical of the british mentality of looking to not do what's best for society and looking after oneself. Unfortunately the government will get the blame when it is really its rebellious citizens spreading covid and not participating in track and trace. Look how well asian countries have delt with covid with their very compliant populations who all seem to be able to wear a mask fine without countless medical "exemptions" and they are highly tracked. They will beat covid whilst we are still arguing about our right to sabotage the governments ability to control the virus.

Speaking of which...

and you wonder why we have lockdown instead

That makes no sense: if, rather than avoiding going to public places where they’d be close to other people, everyone went out and about but left their details everywhere they went, there’d be no need for lockdown?

Surely avoiding public places is a far more effective way of combatting transmission in the community, rather than going into enclosed spaces where other people are but giving them your name and address?

Everyone knows Covid is really spread by those who limit their movements and interactions. That's why local lockdowns are happening: too many people keeping themselves to themselves and not enough people going to pubs, restaurants, cafes and other public venues where they can check in on an unreliable app.

🤣

I don’t trust the people responsible for administering the track and trace app or handling the associated data. I won’t be downloading the app.