Is anybody else actively avoiding being tracked and traced?

[Asterion]

I am actively avoiding anywhere that tracks and traces. Aside from having DC at school, which obvs I have no control over, we don't go anywhere (pub, restaurant etc) where they would need to take our details.

Reason being, I don't want to be at the mercy of someone who may have rocked up to that place and is now infected. It's more to do with the absolute balls-ache of having to self-isolate than a desperate fear of Covid, although you can never tell how you would get it.

Anyone else avoiding T&T?

I haven’t been anywhere that has it yet, despite going to shopping centres and hospital. The only places around here that have it is restaurants and pubs which I rarely go too. It kind of feels like a waste of time.

A relative has been asked to isolate for 2 weeks, she’s shocked even though she eats out several times a week and visits coffee shops. I think it’s very unlikely that I will come into Close contact with anyone other than at work (where I wear PPE ) so I will be shocked if I get a message asking me to isolate.

Surprised Clarks shoe shop took details but they are probably on the way out anyway, it was in the news the other day that they were closing 50 shops, more will follow I guess, can’t see them doing much business if they want details.

@Asterion

So all those people who are complaining about the prospect of being told to self isolate because Bob, who was 10 metres away from them at the other side of the restaurant, has tested positive, can stop worrying.

Well that depends on whether you trust the system to work perfectly, with no technological or human error. I don't, personally!

Also it says it "will not usually be triggered by just one person who tested positive"

Well yes, there is always a possibility of technological or human error, but that would apply to any sort of tracing system.

Yes, not usually triggered by one person, so mostly an alert won't be triggered by just one positive. And if an alert is triggered, it usually won't tell you to self isolate. If an alert is triggered by say, 20 people who were all there on the same day as me all testing positive, then I am definitely going to want know about that and to take whatever action is appropriate.

Personally, I am happy that the chance of being asked to self isolate as a result of check-ins to the small number of places I might go, is low enough (at the moment) to make it worth the risk to me. Others will obviously make their own assessments and may choose to avoid places needing a check in.

@herethereandeverywhere

A family member has just confirmed she will be deleting the app. Apparently it told her to self-isolate for a week (does it do this?!) and she is only paid statutory sick pay for the time off. She cannot afford further time off so is removing it. I should add she is very risk averse, has been forensic about following the rules but can not afford to lose further pay. Surely there must be lots of people like this? I have been refused entrance to several places unless I download the app and check in. Felt very Big Brother.

So what’s the point of even setting up the app if nobody is going to adhere to the rules of it? Why would you bother downloading the app but then ignore a request to self isolate because it doesn’t fit in with your life? This is why the virus will get out of control again and cost many more lives.

@RichardMarxisinnocent you and I seem to be the only ones who are clear on the difference between the QR code scanning, the Bluetooth app and how the system works

There was a good explanation by the BBC science guy on the radio this morning, he explained it better than I can, it's not that complicated but the message isn't getting across

T & T are reaching about 2/3rds of actual close contacts people give them, they seriously aren't trying tp phone up someone who was in the same coffee shop but checked in 6 hours before the infected person.

My phone is too old but I WFH, don't go to cafes bars or restaurants and have groceries delivered. My only possible point of contact is my DC from school and I am resigned based on one experience already that by the time the school tell us a child has tested positive we are already several days later.

It's my daughters birthday coming up and I was thinking about taking her out for the day.
The farm or soft play.
I'm actively planning it so the following days are the school holidays/ I've already got leave booked for her half term break.
So if we do have to self isolate we wont be missing school/ work.
I'm assuming it'll take a couple of days for the person to test positive and then another couple of days before we would be contacted.
So the weekend before half term starts would be good.
Hopefully if we are gonna be tracked/ traced we wont be contacted til midway/ end of the first week and then the second week is half term/ my annual leave.
Kids really need a day out.

To all those defiantly stating that they won’t download the app or adhere to the rules if contacted....hope you feel very pleased with yourselves that you are putting others at risk by not doing so. And that you are the reason that the virus is getting out of control again meaning many more people will die as a result. The app is there for a reason and the least you can do is follow the bloody rules.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-stunned-test-trace-22799277.amp

I watched this interview few days ago. Guy works for track and trace and had only managed to successfully contact three people since May of this year. Most calls he makes go to voicemail or most do not answer.

Seems like many are avoiding being tracked.

.I wouldn’t ever leave fake details. Seems a really childish thing to do. If you don’t want to leave your details then don’t drink in/stay etc

I agree - except I would say ‘cuntish’ rather than ‘childish’

I'm with you, OP. I haven't downloaded the app but I haven't been anywhere relevant in the time it has been around anyway. I wfh, occasionally go to the supermarket or post office and exercise in an empty field. That's pretty much my life now.

I avoid most contact because having to isolate is a complete pain in the arse. We've done it once (child with temperature so isolated until we had a negative test) and it felt horrible even though I don't do much anyway!

@Ilovemypantry

To all those defiantly stating that they won’t download the app or adhere to the rules if contacted....hope you feel very pleased with yourselves that you are putting others at risk by not doing so. And that you are the reason that the virus is getting out of control again meaning many more people will die as a result. The app is there for a reason and the least you can do is follow the bloody rules.

Not sure that I need the app for sitting on my sofa, I don’t go to cafes, bars and restaurants as it’s too much bother and have most things delivered as shops are a lot of bother nowadays.

I’m avoiding having to give my details because I guarantee you it’s only a matter of weeks before all those details are accidentally plastered on a billboard or left on an open laptop on the tube

And your personal data isn’t with any any other organisation etc?

i just pretend to scan the QR code... keeps the staff happy, as they're just doing their jobs.

I’m not confused at all @RichardMarxisinnocent.

I don’t trust or have clarity on the app’s definition of ‘at the same time’, nor do I trust or have clarity on the government’s use of the word ‘usually’ in reference to app driven self isolation advice
That's how I feel too.

I went to a small local cafe after a walk and happily left my number on their clipboard. I'm not downloading the app after the whil handling so far has been one clusterfuck after another.

I'm someone who minimises where I'm going, am doing my food shop late at night to avoided busy times, aren't meeting up with friends, do sanitise my hands, and do wear a mask, so it's not that I'm unwilling to do my bit. I've also got a healthy amount of eye rolls for those people making a huge drama about handwashing and masks. The app isn't something I have faith in at the moment.

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]@Asterion
I left my details in one place, and then realised the implications. Not going somewhere like that again!
So basically you are saying you don’t want to know if you have been a close contact of someone who is Covid positive as that would require you to self isolate.
Instead you would rather remain ignorant and potential spread Covid19 to other as an asymptomatic carrier.
You have weighed things up and decided someone becoming potentially seriously ill or worse, is not a worthwhile trade of for you self isolating for two weeks.[/quote]
Totally agree with everything you said. I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else. This is why we will never get rid of this virus, too many selfish idiots who think they know best.

Most people on this thread are not actually going anywhere so how can they be selfish and spreading the virus.

@RichardMarxisinnocent I think you'll find you're wrong.

@00100001

i just pretend to scan the QR code... keeps the staff happy, as they're just doing their jobs.

Oh well done you. I bet you feel very smug knowing you’ve just found a way round trying to contain the virus.

yes

I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else.

I am surprised you are surprised. Just look at the number of parents who insist on sending sick and contagious children at school because they don't want to be inconvenienced. When they do that to their own children - because frankly being at school when you are poorly is pretty shit for a little one -- you can imagine how they treat anyone else.

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]@Asterion
I left my details in one place, and then realised the implications. Not going somewhere like that again!
So basically you are saying you don’t want to know if you have been a close contact of someone who is Covid positive as that would require you to self isolate.
Instead you would rather remain ignorant and potential spread Covid19 to other as an asymptomatic carrier.
You have weighed things up and decided someone becoming potentially seriously ill or worse, is not a worthwhile trade of for you self isolating for two weeks.[/quote]
I'm obviously going to have to address this directly. No, I am not saying what you think I am saying.

I am avoiding places that take details, so that I don't have to give my details. No need for pitchforks!

Totally agree with everything you said. I still can’t believe the number of people that are just so selfish and do not give a fuck about anyone else. This is why we will never get rid of this virus, too many selfish idiots who think they know best.

Are you being goady for the sake of it? How is someone avoiding going out socially because they don’t like the implications of leaving their details being a ‘selfish idiot’ who is increasing the spread of the disease?

I‘M honestly baffled that some people are interpreting ‘I avoid places where I will be in proximity of other people’ to mean ‘I don’t give a fuck if I flagrantly spread the disease‘.

It’s got to be goadiness, because no one could rationally equate these stances as meaning the same thing.

This thread is full of confusion

Do people not know that giving your details at venues and the covid app are two totally separate things?

There's so much misunderstanding. The two things are independent of each other and have different purposes.

Worth repeating

I'm avoiding going out generally yes, don't want to isolate, don't want to catch it, don't want to spread it.

I go to the shop when I can't avoid it (click and collect where possible)

On Saturday me and ds do have a treat outing (soft play this week, cinema, a cafe that sort of thing) but apart from that I stay in the house, unless I'm at work,

Unfortunately I'm a SEND teacher so am highly likely to catch it at work,
I do what I can though.