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What should be put in place for shielders if we go down lock vulnerable down and carry on

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Someonetakemebackto91 · 07/10/2020 20:09

We are a shielding family ( DD 7 ) is the vulnerable one.

I see more and more people are moving over to the idea it’s better to protect the vulnerable and allow the others to go back to semi normal and carry on until vaccine or herd immunity or whatever people think the outcome will be.

If this was even an idea there will have to be more support than a box of fruit delivered on a Monday.
If everyone can else can carry on as usual there should be

  • job protection ( on the same level as non shielders, so basically can be use against them in the work place )
  • full wage coverage
  • for parent carers an increase in carers allowance. ( loss of respite as-well as increase in bills ) shielders only.

Seperate hospitals
Open the nightingale hospitals etc and use these got covid patients and have hospitals for the shielders to attend safety for medical treatment including transport.

  • education for kids in shielding households needs to match full time education.

Thoughts ? What do you think they should do for shielders if they decide yo go down this route !

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 08/10/2020 09:18

Make shielding a condition for receipt of the state pension for all receiving it

I presume this only applies to someone ECV and everyone claiming state pension?

DH is 66 and receiving state pension. Are you saying he should have to shield to be able to get his pension? What am I supposed to do (under 50)? I can't shield from him in the house, we don't have the room and I'm not moving out!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 08/10/2020 09:18

*not everyone claiming state pension

midgebabe · 08/10/2020 09:27

If you are seriously worried about the economic fallout then I suggest you work seriously hard to support virus suppression...it's the only way

That's not achieve by shielding people over 45 ( just shielding the ECV crashes the nhs ) and letting the virus through the rest of the population, because you have lost half your workforce and half your consumers

Required a competent government ,again we are acting too late to achieve suppression now, which will lead to more, longer, harsher more damaging restrictions , and a worse economic outcome long term,

Keeping the pubs open an extra week now means that instead of closing them for 2 weeks circuit break, they probable will end up being shut for 4 or more weeks soon,

Ylvamoon · 08/10/2020 09:34

If you are seriously worried about the economic fallout then I suggest you work seriously hard to support virus suppression...it's the only way

Virus suppression IS causing the current economic fallout. The current job losses/ cuts are a direct result and its not just big companies like cinneworld.
And companies are not hiring because of all the rules and regulations aroundvirus suppression... social dissecting, enhanced risk assessments and extra equipment like screens actually put many employers off.
not every job can be WFH

Ylvamoon · 08/10/2020 09:36

Grinsocial dissecting Grin

should read Social Distancing...

midgebabe · 08/10/2020 09:39

Suppression causes short term economic fallout

Late and weak suppression causes every greater economic fallout...which is where we are at

No suppression causes the worst fallout

Believe it or not things could be worse

The reason the UK is doing so badly economically is directly correlated to us doing so badly in suppression

Evilwasps · 08/10/2020 09:43

I was shielding, now our family is back to 'normal', work, school, etc, because we have to be. I am happy to make my own assessment of the risk, taking extra precautions if I think it necessary in order to live life as freely as possible. I would be devastated if I was told to shield again. It was awful for my mental health, which is normally pretty good. My employer wouldn't let me come to work when I was shielding (can't WFH), and my child couldn't go to school if it was reintroduced. What would my husband do? He can't work from home either and he's only just got another job having lost the last one due to Covid.
So unless the government plan on paying the wages of those affected in full and providing a comprehensive home learning package the country can't and won't be able to make people shield again.

YellowOrangeRed · 08/10/2020 09:56

First thing: the recent additional money given to those on Universal Credit should also be backdated and given to those on ESA and JSA too.

Secondly: shielders who are disabled and in receipt of PIP or DLA (or have they all been transitioned now?) should get some kind of increased payment to cover increased heating costs over the winter. Maybe just simply extend the winter fuel payment to everyone ECV and getting PIP/DLA? Or even extend to everyone ECV this winter.

Thirdly: ECV should get priority for supermarket delivery slots and should be able to get one delivery without paying a delivery charge per week.

BatSegundo · 08/10/2020 09:56

Judging from some of the posts on here, an empathy implant for a proportion of the population would be what helps the ECV the most. Jesus.

Gingerninja4 · 08/10/2020 10:05

Shielders to live alone news flash children /teens are still on the clincally extremely vulnerable list.My 17 year old can't go to collage safely due to risk assessments or should I leave my disabled 15 year old and my 1y year old to fend for themselves or as they have underlying conditions will that just be the foot note if they get it

Boris box provided for just the shielded only had 2 small portions of protein (1 small tuna and 1 fray bentos pie .any fruit or vegetables was often of .We had 2 as 2 Shielders yet due to my son's needs can't self isolate on his own so all of us had to shield them .We waited weeks for priorty slot .
Thank feck I keep stuff in as we could not lived on that

Gingerninja4 · 08/10/2020 10:15

Because some people can't follow rules or more don't want to they think answer is to lock the vulnerable away instead of following some simple rules social distancing and wearing a mask

As for the poster who thinks it's ok if some vulnerable children die .Suggestion look at your close family pick a child and ask how they feel about losing a child (a healthy child cam become unhealthy at any point )

Also Shielders still need to go out to access essential healthcare

SmilingAloe · 08/10/2020 10:18

This is the most depressing thing that I have read since the start of the pandemic.
The lack of humanity and empathy from some posters is horrifying.

IloveJKRowling · 08/10/2020 10:19

Gandhi quote: "“The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.”

Our society is seriously lacking in humanity when people like Prof Gupta espousing 'protecting the vulnerable' and otherwise letting it rip are given airtime.

They NEVER say how they're going to practically protect vulnerable parents from their non- vulnerable children or vulnerable elderly from their carers. They NEVER address the VAST amounts of money that would be needed to properly do this (you'd need to separate out the vulnerable in hotels or large facilities with separate medical care as once coronavirus is raging then every point of contact with the outside world would be incredibly risky).

You'd need to pay the wages of vulnerable teachers, doctors, nurses and somehow replace them in the workforce.

There would be arguments about who is vulnerable and who isn't and what about people who are vulnerable temporarily - e.g. those who develop diabetes in pregnancy. It would be an administrative nightmare and we'd need to pay lots of people to administer it.

Even Boris Johnson has said that it's impractical because we're all interconnected.

I suspect that people who say 'protect the vulnerable' mean nothing of the sort. They never have practical answers and they wouldn't want to spend the money it would take. What they really mean is 'let the vulnerable die'.

Many countries have reportedly had mass graves with coronavirus - Brazil, India, Iran. Is that what we want here?

Do you know which countries have the least economic impact, and the lowest deaths and least hardship? Counties that adopted universal mask wearing early on, and developed excellent test and trace (using people as contact tracers not just apps) and suppressed the virus, dealing with outbreaks as they arise. That's what we should be doing, ideally with some extra protections for people who are vulnerable and need to take extra precautions, as we had with shielding.

It makes me so angry that this is a strategy that is even discussed as a viable option. The PM has said it's not feasible and it's really inhumane and othering to the vulnerable, who make up a significant chunk of our population and workforce.

It's wasting time discussing it when we should be focusing on what we CAN do to reduce transmission (e.g funding schools better, masks in schools etc).

Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:27

Wow
So the people on this thread who think they should be offered the basics heating and electric not a full salary ?
Even in the first lockdown furlough was 80 ducking percent but what because it’s disabled / sick people they will be fine with some gas and electric !
Some of us have kids for god sake ! Mortgages, bills oh and let’s not forget might want the occasional treat whilst being locked in the house why you all go on your merrily way and enjoy xmas with your families on your normal wage.

To the person who said shoulders could opt out giving their right for medical treatment away for healthy corona patients !!
This already is the dam case apart from I think it should be different I think we should follow
The local restrictions, face masks, social distancing and if you don’t want to as a healthy person you dam sign a waiver to make you less priority over a disabled person. You shouldn’t need to worry anyway the virus isn’t that bad remember ?

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Sewsosew · 08/10/2020 10:35

DH is ECV and a key worker. He did work at home but it was very very difficult trying to direct others to do certain aspects of work from a distance. Being in didn’t do his health any good at all.
I’m not ECV, should I stop working? Should DD stop going to school, not going before made her depressed and withdrawn.

A perfectly well person can become very unwell from Covid. Just thinking you can go live your life as normal is short sighted.

Sunflowers247 · 08/10/2020 10:39

So the people on this thread who think they should be offered the basics heating and electric not a full salary ?

How on earth could we pay for that?! Full salaries, occasional treats? Especially when lots of businesses are having to close down and unemployment is rising to 10%!

Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:43

I was saying additional treats I meant as in with their own wage.
Paying a full wage to the people who are shielding ( as in if they are working shielding ) considering not all will be in full time employment is a lot cheaper than having to do down national lockdown route and furlough every one on 80 percent ! We could afford 80 percent when it was the whole nation but only gas and electric if they are sick !? 🙈

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Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:45

You can not have it both ways - no general restrictions for the public etc
Shielding people stay in doors with only electric and gas money 🤣.

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Sunflowers247 · 08/10/2020 10:46

Well, we really couldn't afford the 80%, look at the National Debt levels now!

SleeplessGeordie · 08/10/2020 10:48

Even in the first lockdown furlough was 80 ducking percent but what because it’s disabled / sick people they will be fine with some gas and electric !

I'm not disagreeing with your anger, but this is how it's been for sick and disabled people prior to this.

Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:49

@Sunflowers247 well then would you be happy with dropping national minimum wage or upping taxes for everyone but 80 percent do everyone has to live with just gas or electric ? Or just the sick people ?

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Racoonworld · 08/10/2020 10:49

Asking for full salaries is a bit much as why should we have to pay someone a full 50k salary to sit at home? though I agree just has and electric is too little. I think it should be 80% up to £2500, same as furlough was. That would be fair and give a reasonable amount of money to live on.

Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:50

@SleeplessGeordie I have dealing with it for 7 years I’m fully aware however no not all
Sick people live of just gas and electric - some work those who are really sick and on benefits do get more than gas an electric money.

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Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:51

@Racoonworld because it’s not easy they want ! This is because people do not want to live with covid restriction they other way that came out is to shield the sick so then the rest of the population can go on their way and carry on like normal

People can not have it both ways !

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Someonetakemebackto91 · 08/10/2020 10:54

@Racoonworld it’s winter my sick daughter needs the gas on 24/7 if she was sheilding there would be no gas break when she is at school / clubs / nanny’s house etc
So my gas bill will be double !
I don’t have 20 percent left over now we would likely lose our home, I would unlikely be able to keep the gas going 24 hours.

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