Under 50's won't receive the vaccination

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Although this is entirely reasonable given that for this age group risks are similar to flu (in under 25s flu is actually more deadly, the slight reverse is true over 25), it does raise a number of points:

1. Herd immunity will not be achieved by vaccination alone, and will be achieved by a combination of vaccination and infection.

1. Anyone under 50 who has been negatively impacted by lockdowns (job loss etc) has done this entirely to protect the vulnerable/elderly.

1. Is it therefore reasonable as a compromise to isolate the over 50's and reopen the economy for under 50s? Most under 50's are going to get it anyway in the next few years, and this won't overload the NHS as the bulk of admissions come from the elderly.

1. There seems to be this ridiculous idea that we will re-emerge from restrictions next year all "safe" and vaccinated. This isn't the case. Any healthy under 50 that is worried is going to have to learn to live with the tiny risk the virus presents, in the same way they have to deal with other small risks (younger people aren't screened for certain cancers due to much lower risks for example).

I agree

Not sure how the 50 to 67 age group are supposed to survive being that they'd no longer be employed, yet have mortgages?

What about the over 50s who work? My mum is 51 and works full time for the NHS. She's been working throughout this pandemic.

er, i'm 52 and won't be locked away thanks!

Is it 'not be offered' or 'will give priority to'?

Impossible to 'isolate' the over 50 - that would be hundreds of thousands of people not being able to work/teach/socialise/

When we see a rise in cases in the general population, there is a rise in cases in the elderly and vulnerable people. The 'isolation' theory doesn't work in practice. What do you do with all the carers who work in homes? Isolate them for months on end in care homes with their patients?

I’m 57 with a teen Dd, adults ds at home and mortgage.

Is the government going to pay my salary? I can’t work from home.

Does your "isolate the over 50s" include all nhs staff over 50? Or teachers? They're pretty at risk. And the school aged children of the over 50s, are they then isolated too?

How do you know that the over 50s are not just going to be part of the first wave of vaccinations and so other groups might be included in subsequent waves?

Totally impractical to isolate the over-50s. Why should they be locked away?

I'm under 50 myself, so it wouldn't affect me either way, but what you're suggesting is inhumane and deeply impractical. How are you going to manage when all of the essential workers aged 50+ suddenly stop providing their services? It's going to be mightily difficult to replace their experience and expertise overnight.

I'm 58 and have been working from home since March. I have been (effectively) isolating since then as I care for an elderly relative with health issues. I'm happy to continue on that basis so my DC can get out and live their lives. It sucks to be locked down, I absolutely bloody hate it but I'm more upset about the restrictions Covid has put on my kids' lives.

Isolate the over 50's!!! We've got another twenty years work to fulfill OP. My supermarket delivery driver is 72 fgs. Every one of DH's senior colleagues are over 50....... I think you are a bit out of touch as to whom works these days.

isolate the over 50's....leaving a smaller workforce? in our place that would be half the management team out of the business

so how will they cope without managers? and what happens when the remaining workforce diminish due to catching covid,isolating,leave for childcare etc? as they are the ones relying on schools for younger kids childcare needs

When did over 50 become "elderly" ?!

Why the need isolate when the over 50s will get the vaccination? Until then they can take necessary reasonable precautions.

Can you explain how you propose to isolate all the over 50s? Shall we tell DSS he can’t see his dad until we’ve been vaccinated?

I'm not following the vaccine news as I'm not convinced it's going to be a miracle cure.

But if there isnt a mass rollout within the next 12 months, my personal view for myself is that it will make me severely I'll or it wont so when it get it, becomes irrelevant. It will either hospitalised/ kill me next week, next month or next year.

Dont get me wrong I am following the rules fully but part of me thinks just bring it on, get it done with. If I survive it once but there is no longer immunity then surely it's not going to kill me if I get it again within a year.

I dont know anymore. Nothing is in my control but I'm not terrified by it.

Hmm. DH and I are over 50 with school age dc. Not quite sure how we isolate from the dc. We could send them to my db but he'd have 100 mile school run every day.

What's your source for this OP? I thought the over 50s were just higher in the priority list and eventually everybody would get it? It just might take a lot longer for them to get enough supplies and manpower to vaccinate the younger healthy people.

I'm 50. 14 year old ds, still at school. Still work, like most people. Can't see when I'll ever not work. 50, isn't actually old.

Simplistic thinking for a complex situation.

Watch what other countries do and don't accept less from the UK government. Herd immunity is never going to happen - hasn't happened with any other coronavirus (e.g. colds). Catching Covid-19 and surviving is no more than a test run that your body has passed. You can still catch it again (no one knows how long antibodies last) and pass it on to others. Not vaccinating everyone is very short-sighted by the government. Clearly there has to be a priority order for the vaccination, but the plan should be to move rapidly to mass vaccination after priority groups are vaccinated. And while NHS staff are still not being routinely screened for Covid-19, NHS staff should be a priority for vaccination. Far too many cases are being caught inside hospitals - not just from staff, but the risk is present.

People work until they are able to get their state pensions which is approx. 66 years of age. So perhaps the over 66 year old people could isolate or have their wages covered by the Government.

I get what you’re saying OP, in that it seems unreasonable to ask the under 50s to hold out on all these restrictions ‘until the vaccine’ which turns out they won’t get any time soon after launch anyway.

In reality though, certain groups in under 50s will be prioritised. Medically vulnerable, HCPs, care workers, presumably teachers. We’d be stupid not to have uni students up there too.

I do worry we’ll have a bit of a two tier society off the back of this. The ‘been vaccined’ and the ‘not’.

How will that work for things like foreign travel? Or, will we all relax once the most vulnerable are sorted?

Your title is misleading

There is a priority list (somewhere...saw it on a thread a few days ago)

Healthcare worker
Over 50s vulnerable
Over 50s not vulnerable
Other vulnerable adults
Non vulnerable adults under 50

Its not a case of under 50s will not receive the vaccine. It will be done on a similar basis to the flu jab

Healthy adults are obviously going to be last on the last. Hardly shocking or revolutionary

The whole premise of your post seems to be based on false information and seems like scaremongering. It just isn't the case that under 50s won't be vaccinated, eventually we WILL all get it. Posts like this are so unhelpful to the metal health of so many people affected by lockdown/isolations.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-uk-matt-hancock-under-50s-b837533.html

Not vaccinating everyone is very short-sighted by the government. Clearly there has to be a priority order for the vaccination, but the plan should be to move rapidly to mass vaccination after priority groups are vaccinated.

I’m sure the plan is to vaccinate everyone, but there will be limits to how quickly this can be done. It may take a year - more.