Seething, this is why it's spreading

[Willbob]

We live in a local lockdown area. A family member went to visit another family member in a non lockdown area (I know they're not allowed, not my call, I wouldn't have). They went with their partner and child. Their partner and his parent are now positive, their childs nursery has closed as many of the children have tested positive. They haven't passed the details to track n trace because they visited ilegally. Of the family that they visited one is isolating, maybe? The other definitely isn't and wants to go to work. In the meantime my gran In her 80's has been visited for her wellbeing by one of the people who should be isolating (not known at the time).

I'm seething. This is why the pandemic is spreading and why the vulnerable are at risk. I'm 100% certain others around the country will being doing similar. How can the numbers be accurate and how can it possibly be controlled?

pfffft... yes, how can we control normal human desires to have social contact with other people we care about. It does seem rather impossible.

Well no, it’s spreading because we are focusing on three main symptoms (often not present in children). Which means younger children will not be tested, people are not being tested and traced. Schools are driving infection because they sent everyone back with no mitigation. That’s the main reason it’s spreading, it’s just that people ignore that.

I know of a case in the last couple of days v similar. Except it was a teacher...so potentially infecting 100s and then 1000s. Utterly selfish stupidity. And you only have to read some of these threads on here to see it's everywhere. Waiting for it to kick off here in the next few days...livid.

And no. Not teacher bashing. I am a teacher. Stupid *""" has potentially infected a whole secondary school and then the ramifications on the town.

It's quite clear. You stay away from friends and family for the time being (in lockdown or isolating reasons). This is temporary. If you keep being selfish twats, that time increases and you potentially kill a few people.

It will only be controlled once a vaccine is available, in the mean time we are responsible for our own behaviour. There is nothing you can do about others.

@user1471530109 it's just complete selfishness and irresponsibility. I'm so angry. @lljkk they hardly have any contact, it was a drive out/ something to do. They haven't visited in over a year. No desire just boredom. Even if there was a desire it's illegal and bloody stupid.

Is your anger going to change anything? No.

Learn to let it go or you really will make yourself ill.

The basic rule is, if you stay in one place the virus can't move. If you start moving, the virus moves too. It's bloody obvious to anyone with a bit of sense.

I honestly dont think we are ever going to be able to control it fully. it's a virus, it's what they do. yes okay, perhaps you can halt it for a bit but the minute you let up itll start again. those who truly believe otherwise are deluded. nature will have it's way I'm afraid

@lljkk Imagine not understanding that short term benefits carry huge long run costs. Would you rather not see those you care about for a little bit, or for a long time? Alternatively, free ride on everyone else’s efforts and maybe kill those you care about. I have no choice but to travel, and I haven’t seen my children for a long time because I don’t want to put them at risk. It’s hard, but it’s the right thing to do.

Nah, it's spreading because it's a virus, that's what they do.

When you open things back up, open schools, encourage everyone to go out to restaurants and pubs and go back to the office, it's gonna start spreading again.

"How can it possibly be controlled?"

It can't. You cannot control a virus ffs, I don't understand where this belief that you can is coming from

Seethng will not help the situation. Human beings make errors, they often feel they will be OK. Of course it's silly to be so cavalier but it's done now and cannot be undone.

Let's just hope nobody is seriously ill and others (who know, I don't suppose they've advertised it), take note and are more sensible.

It’s not selfishness as such. I see that on here time and time again.
It’s utterly normal to want to see people you care for and don’t live with.
People are sick and tired of it.
I have a vulnerable daughter and she isn’t able to go back to nursery because of government guidelines.
But they haven’t a bloody clue what to do and considering that I was (legally) able to go to a sweaty exercise class with “social distancing” the other week ( haven’t been for years) where everyone was panting, no open windows etc. And considering people are doing organised sports and going into shops etc etc. ... of course people will catch it.
It’s not a fucking end of the world scenario and we can’t live in a bunker forever - otherwise, when we did emerge the common cold would probably kill us!

@Itisasecret

Well no, it’s spreading because we are focusing on three main symptoms (often not present in children). Which means younger children will not be tested, people are not being tested and traced. Schools are driving infection because they sent everyone back with no mitigation. That’s the main reason it’s spreading, it’s just that people ignore that.

Ontop of this, up to 80% of people get no symptoms at all. Not entirely sure what we can do with that to be honest. Especially with the current testing situation being so ridiculous. If only 1 in 5 get symptoms, and only some of those symptoms are tested, AND current rules say if someone has been a contact of someone else who tested positive, that person should isolate but not those who live with them unless someone shows symptoms, that most people do not even get..

Its all a little bit of a mess. In short.

I think its complex. Some people don't perceive the risk to be as high as others do. Sone are fatalistic and don't think we can control the spread anyway. Some just don't trust the government guidance so ignore it. Some are genuinely confused.
I had a "robust" discussion with my otherwise quite sane and intelligent husband because he didn't think we needed to get our child with a temperature of 38.5c tested since he wasn't coughing much and can smell ok. Getting through to him that you only need any one of those symptoms, not all 3, was bizarrely hard work.
Then on the way home from the test he asked if we should stop at the supermarket for supplies "in case we need to self isolate". Further banging of head on wall whilst I explained that no, we are self isolating, until we get a negative test result or the time is up and that we just have to manage with what we have in the house and try to get a delivery if need be. He is an educated, professional person. I have no idea how he has failed to understand this concept.

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Nah, it's spreading because it's a virus, that's what they do.

When you open things back up, open schools, encourage everyone to go out to restaurants and pubs and go back to the office, it's gonna start spreading again.

"How can it possibly be controlled?"

It can't. You cannot control a virus ffs, I don't understand where this belief that you can is coming from

You can control a virus by behaviour change. Just look at HIV. Behaviour change helped to slow the spread, and now medication has caught up and taken over as a method of prevention.

@AliciaWhiskers HIV is a ludicrous comparison. it is transmitted a completely different way, and we already had something in place that could stop the most common route; it's called a condom.

also, HIV is much harder to catch. COVID is a respiratory virus. got as much chance of controlling and stopping it as the common cold or flu. basically, not a bloody lot considering it is literally being omitted by us doing a necessary component ie. breathing as it is an air borne virus

We have family who are completely ignoring rules and are in a locked down area. Apparently no one else is following the rules so why should they. 2 relatives are high risk. I have given up now. I am following the rules and just letting everyone else get on with it. I will struggle to have much sympathy if they fall sick.

I thought hiv involved the exchange of bodily fluids rather than floating around in the air or on objects though so was easier to avoid @AliciaWhiskers

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen but there is no way you can compare this virus to HIV? HIV can only be transmitted with specific contact- not via standing near someone’s breath! Totally different!
I’m afraid with shops and schools open this virus is not going anywhere. Unless you trap everyone at home with shops restaurants, visitor attractions and schools closed for weeks, it’s not going to reduce.
Of course though people should be on the alert for symptoms and isolate themselves and family if needed. Absolutely selfish if you think you have it or have tested positive to go about your business!
The problem is though as a PP said, with many people being symptomless or v mild symptoms, it’s just getting missed all the time

You raise a good point about test & trace. If you've been doing something you shouldn't have been (visiting someone indoors in Scotland for example) do you fess that up when they contact you?

You can't compair Covid to HIV. Having unprotective sex and injection drugs etc is nothing like being in a room for 15 minutes with a infected person.

Plus there is no cure for HIV. Just extremely good controlling drugs. Get shipwrecked without your HIV drugs and you wont fair well long term.

It's like comparing a cold to noro. Just because they are both viruses doesnt mean its all the same thing.

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Nah, it's spreading because it's a virus, that's what they do.

When you open things back up, open schools, encourage everyone to go out to restaurants and pubs and go back to the office, it's gonna start spreading again.

"How can it possibly be controlled?"

It can't. You cannot control a virus ffs, I don't understand where this belief that you can is coming from

Exactement. You can control people, you can't control a virus. And ultimately, you can't really control people beyond a certain point. Some people will do what they like, I wouldn't be surprised or use up energy seething over it.

Yes people are selfish.
Yes people are stupid.
Yes it’s a slap in the face when you have been following the guidance.
And yes, it’s even worse when these people are a part of your family.

I’ve always known people in my family can be selfish and stupid but their actions over the past 6 months have left me wanting nothing more to do with them.

Let’s hope your gran keeps away from the ones who are behaving like this.

@lljkk

pfffft... yes, how can we control normal human desires to have social contact with other people we care about. It does seem rather impossible.

Then normal humans need to get a grip and curb their 'desires' .. until doing so doesn't kill others. !

Someone's 'desire' does not out trump my right to life.