770 students at Northumbria test positive.

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770 students test positive at Northumbria

https://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-outbreak-at-uk-university-sees-770-students-test-positive-for-covid-19-20201002?c=1601655033701%3Fsource%3Dfacebook&fbclid=IwAR2zpVljTZshbUGlHRo4MKwmTHiJtZxUoCjj_MUX3n2FobXOJLbw-gl3G-Y

Thanks SummerHouse.

Char2015 - but why send them home, it’s not like they’re dropping like flies, they are in general a low risk group who we need to educate so they can become useful citizens. If anything we should keep them together so they can live their lives rather than send them home to live with higher risk people meaning their lives have to be curtailed to avoid putting their families at risk.

In one way this is a good thing though.

If so many people have it and don't even know, have more people had it and got some immunity?

Concerning though about asymptomatic spreading.

So if so many of them have it but are asymptomatic, why can't we just all get on with our lives except those who are very vulnerable?

If this number of people have been infected and are getting asymptomatically infected, aren't we getting closer to the 'herd immunity' theory.

IF catching it creates immunity of some level, of course.

I think the thing is that staying in halls might curtail their lives more than being at home, if they have to keep doing two weeks isolation every time someone in the halls tests positive. If they all isolate for two weeks before going home they shouldn't take it home, if done carefully. Unless they catch it on the way back of course.

If so many people have it and don't even know, have more people had it and got some immunity?

I know what you are saying and I have wondered the same thing. But seeing these big outbreaks at universities suggests to me that immunity is low among the population, since so many are susceptible as soon as it gets a chance to spread. Obviously we also don't know what degree of immunity we might develop or how long it lasts.

Oh for goodness sake. This is why we just need to let this thing spread now. Suppression is impossible. How many of these tests are positive from months back?

let it spread?
yikes

It makes you wonder if that 90% asymptomatic rate is the same across the board among the youth. It's no wonder they don't take it seriously.

tell me what is the failure with test and trace?
someone?

@AltoCation

So if so many of them have it but are asymptomatic, why can't we just all get on with our lives except those who are very vulnerable?

If this number of people have been infected and are getting asymptomatically infected, aren't we getting closer to the 'herd immunity' theory.

IF catching it creates immunity of some level, of course.

More likely to be presymptomatic (go on to develop symptoms). Most studies show 20 to 40% of cases are truly asymptomatic.

Only around 7% of the UK population have been infected.

We don't know the average period of immunity yet, some estimates are that average immunity from natural infection may only last for 1 to 2 years.

Surely its a given that students will infect each other given the combination of living in close quarters and lack of social distancing amongst that age group - my DD is one, no-one at all is SD in any of her widespread friendship groups in different parts of the country. Nor I might add are any of the members of the two sixth form colleges near where I live. they have clearly all agreed not to SD and hang around in large groups (40+) chatting in-between lessons. This is London so the police are nowhere to be seen.

However, these students are not getting badly ill and many show no symptoms at all. Surely better to let them get it and not panic (because the cat is out of the bag anyway). Sure they may not be immune forever but they will probably have decent immunity this year and some immunity going forward.

I wholly support moving to online only teaching for everyone 11 and above BTW. If I at 60ish can work perfectly well on Teams so can the screens generation.

Now we just need to recognise the the same is happening in schools but with even more asymptomatic cases (I also have a school age DC). Again it's not necessarily a bad thing in population terms, but the people like me (old, fat, diabetic, high cholesterol) are going to have to be even more conscientious about hygiene at home and SD when out. And a lot more testing is needed so we can check who has had it and who has not .

Even if you live with someone it is not impossible to avoid catching their virus. My DD was sent home from uni with mumps last year (she is vaccinated but anecdotally lots of vaccinated students have been getting it the last few years and there was certainly a cluster at her uni).

Mumps is highly contagious. I drove her home from uni then we stuck her in her bedroom with her own bathroom and used the same measures as are recommended for CV19. None of the rest of us caught it, slightly to my amazement, which gives me hope. Equally the years when some of us have had norovirus, also widely contagious, not all of us have had it.

@FourTeaFallOut

I'll get my coat.

No one wears a coat in Newcastle

My feeling, and it is just a feeling, having seen the outbreak on my own campus is that this age group really do seem to have a lot of proper asymptomatic or very mild responses, I base that off the fact that most were picked up the first week off being asymptomatic and were surprised, and then looking at household spreading two weeks later, a few have symptoms but most don't. The testing service we are using can't keep up and stop the outbreak, because if they only test symptomatic in this population, they are missing most of the infections, and even if they don't spread as much as the coughers, they are still spreading it (otherwise how is it spreading so fast in our cohorts? They aren't allowed to party!)

In some ways I see this as fairly good news in that I'm a bit less scared of Covid than I was before, which is probably good as I now realise my chances of getting it are really quite high!

@Tomatoesneedtoripen

tell me what is the failure with test and trace? someone?

Not fast enough basically.

If I get symptoms today, me and the kids isolate. Then a couple of days to get a test, a couple more days for results, a day for them to contact people.

Meanwhile in the two days while I was asymptomatic I went to two different pubs, a hairdresser, dropped my kids at school and ate lunch in McDs. And all the people I was in contact with have already had five days to go spread the germs a bit.

For test and trace to be effective it needs to be fast. Symptoms to notification in 24 hours fast. It's not the number of tests you do it's what you do with them basically.

@Inkpaperstars

If so many people have it and don't even know, have more people had it and got some immunity?

I know what you are saying and I have wondered the same thing. But seeing these big outbreaks at universities suggests to me that immunity is low among the population, since so many are susceptible as soon as it gets a chance to spread. Obviously we also don't know what degree of immunity we might develop or how long it lasts.

But they could have had it ages ago and long since stopped being infectious. They could have dead virus in their systems from months back.

This is why we need a test which shows a scale rather than simply yes/no.

@HesterShaw1

[quote Inkpaperstars]
If so many people have it and don't even know, have more people had it and got some immunity?

I know what you are saying and I have wondered the same thing. But seeing these big outbreaks at universities suggests to me that immunity is low among the population, since so many are susceptible as soon as it gets a chance to spread. Obviously we also don't know what degree of immunity we might develop or how long it lasts.

But they could have had it ages ago and long since stopped being infectious. They could have dead virus in their systems from months back.

This is why we need a test which shows a scale rather than simply yes/no.[/quote]
ONS does a constant rolling test of people without covid-19 symptoms to check the background level of covid in the general population. If a vast amount of people were just carrying dead virus it would be likely to show in that. Thus far it is not.

they are still spreading it (otherwise how is it spreading so fast in our cohorts? They aren't allowed to party!)

You ever been stuck behind a herd of students? Ain't nobody got time for social distancing? They're a bumbling herd of those as yet oblivious to life's vicissitudes. The other day I was stuck behind a group of about 50 of them coming out the gates and stuck at a level crossing. Not. A. Care. In. The. World. Only ones panicking are us. It doesn't really affect them I suppose.

And didn't the WHO say recently that it's very unlikely asymptomatic people spread it?

No - they vigorously Recanted that!

www.marketwatch.com/story/world-health-organization-recants-claim-that-asymptomatic-coronavirus-transmission-very-rare-2020-06-09#:~:text=World%20Health%20Organization%20recants%20claim%20that%20asymptomatic%20coronavirus,Published%3A%20June%2011%2C%202020%20at%205%3A10%20p.m.%20ET

they are still spreading it (otherwise how is it spreading so fast in our cohorts? They aren't allowed to party!) yeah, I agree to a large extent. What I meant was is that the spread is just happening through normal household contact, going for coffee, shopping, the odd drink, things they were allowed to do up until the point they weren't, not all illegal raving...

It just makes you wonder if you tested a company with a large workforce on mass like they are with students, what the results would be?

@DonnaDonna01

It just makes you wonder if you tested a company with a large workforce on mass like they are with students, what the results would be?

I was just thinking this about my DPs work. I bet it would be surprising

Send all the students back home for god's sake

No...but too late, we already have two local primary schools shut because the HT's had collected their DS's from uni...DS's have tested positive...asymptomatic ..and the HT's have both been in school all week and passed it on to staff and pupils.

Good. Hopefully now people will start realizing that it's a virus, no amount of rules and regulations is going to stop it from spreading, unless we all don't leave the house but that's not doable in the long run obviously.

There is no such thing as containing a virus.

What's important is how many of them are ill which the article doesn't even say. Who needs important facts, fear mongering is more important!

"Symptoms to notification in 24 hours fast".

Cough Tuesday morning, test Tuesday afternoon, result 9am Wednesday morning.

That is the case in my area (Lincolnshire). Mumsnet only accepts your example of 5 days from symptoms to notification though.