Corbyn trumps Cummings

[MissPoldark]

Jeremy Corbyn ensures continued spread of coronavirus by attending non-socially distanced dinner party for 9.

Well at least it’s not just the Tories who think the rules don’t apply to them but seriously, what the hell were these people thinking?
Presumably they thought it they would get away with it until someone took the photo!!

Meanwhile I’m here explaining to my son why his friend can’t come over anymore

Still doesn’t justify anyone else breaking the rules though!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/corbyn-apologises-for-breaching-rule-of-six-at-dinner-party-for-nine-a4560476.html?amp

They both broke the rules I gather they have both apologised, which is a bit of a break from tradition.

Cummings was worse. The whole thing still makes me angry

@frozendaisy

Cummings put a possible/he thought they were Covid-19 positive family in a car and drove length of the country at peak lockdown.

Corbyn had dinner with an extra 3 people.

I am not political point scoring but the two actions are vastly different.

I agree. objectively leaving the house and travelling (twice) with covid-19, once while not able to see properly, is arguably worse. Also Stanley Johnson's non-masking wearing - his second Covid-19 infringement after travelling to Greece (via Bulgaria) when it was not allowed by Greece (or the UK, I think).

*frozendaisy
Cummings put a possible/he thought they were Covid-19 positive family in a car and drove length of the country at peak lockdown.

Corbyn had dinner with an extra 3 people.

I am not political point scoring but the two actions are vastly different.
I agree. objectively leaving the house and travelling (twice) with covid-19, once while not able to see properly, is arguably worse.
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Is it? Sitting in a car doesn't involve close contact with people outside your family. Obviously the not being able to see bit is different, but from a Covid perspective the dinner for 9, from different households, seems way more likely to lead to a spread than the car journey

What if the car had broken down and needed a repair or tow? Or they had an accident and needed medical attention.
That is why you should stay at home if you have Covid-19.

Neither Corbyn or Johnson can be fined - the police set a precedent with the Cumming case - the met said they do NOT take retrospective action for breaches of the corona virus act.

He was wrong but I don't think it trumps Cummings. Cummings said he and his wife were symptomatic and they drove hundreds of miles. If anyone at the dinner party was symptomatic or it was held in Durham then it is a draw, otherwise he really isn't trumping Cummings.

Btw I can't really defend Corbyn as I don't like him, but objectively willfully and knowingly leaving your home with Covid-19 for a long car journey endangers the general public and anyone who might have to provide assistance in the event of an incident en-route.
And obviously you shouldn't drive if you can't see right very dangerous to the other road-users.

"Deputy commissioner Sir Stephen House said he understood “the passion” the behaviour of Boris Johnson’s chief adviser provoked, but he insisted the Met was sticking to its decision not to retrospectively investigate breaches of the Covid regulations"

Also I don't believe DC did apologise (in any meaningful way).
And Corbyn has been fined apparently (DM source, sorry).

Corbyn is an opposition backbencher. He has admitted his mistake and apologised.

Cummings is (in)effectively running the country. He lied and lied and never apologised.

Well, although obviously Corbyn was wrong, he isn't 'ensuring the spread' of COVID 19 unless he or anyone else at the party has it or has symptoms. I don't condone the rule breaking, but by this point we all understand that the numbers are fairly arbitrary and the rule of 6 doesn't mean that COVID won't spread anymore than just having 8 people present means it will.

The Cummings situation, as everyone else has said, is different as he drove when symptomatic across the country. And Corbyn has not been responsible for policy making whereas Cummings was.

But clearly it would be better if all our elected representatives and their advisers obeyed the law.

Corbyn has made a full apology within hours...

Cummings - believe we are still waiting?

Sorry, I know the subject title was a bit silly and I didn’t really intend the thread to focus on the comparison with Cummingsgate.

But what was Corbyn’s excuse? He’s spent his entire career representing himself as a man of the people and now what? Was he just not assertive enough to tell his friends he didn’t think it was a good idea?
Did he just not care?
Does he want to see the NHS overwhelmed?
Or what?

I think SNP MP Margaret Ferrier has trumped them both. Travelling by train from London to Glasgow immediately after getting a positive test is far worse than anything Cummings did and quite frankly appears to be an ideal first outing for the fines for recklessly failing to isolate.

Somehow Miss Poldark I am picking up your anger at Corbyn is in bad faith. Corbyn was wrong, he immediately apologised and the transgression was not in my view so egregious that it puts into question his whole character.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-snp-mp-margaret-ferrier-apologises-for-travelling-on-public-transport-after-positive-covid-19-test-12087104

How does Corbyn trump Cummings exactly. Was the wake at the other side of the country? Did he travel while he had Covid. Was he responsible for any Coronavirus policies. And since when did he become his brothers keeper.

Would it be okay if i was blaming posters on here for things their brothers had done. Next time someone posts about a family members wrongdoing should i bang on and on about how badly it reflects on said poster and ask the poster what they are going to do about it!

@StatisticalSense

I think SNP MP Margaret Ferrier has trumped them both. Travelling by train from London to Glasgow immediately after getting a positive test is far worse than anything Cummings did and quite frankly appears to be an ideal first outing for the fines for recklessly failing to isolate.

I've just heard about this and I absolutely agree - she has definitively trumped both of them. I'm still in utter shock that she actually did this.

Margaret Ferrier should be sacked & fined the maximum amount possible. Someone that stupid should not be in a position of responsibility.

Yeah ok. She wins.

She won’t be sacked, fined or made to quit. McSturgeon will see to that.

Nothing compares to Dominic's Rose Garden performance. No even Despicable Corbyn! I think he has done it on purpose to get back into the news. I had not heard of him for ages!

The Corbyn photo has really upset me, because he is doing exactly the sort of thing that the rest of us have been prevented from doing.

I have been following the rules because I believe in collective responsibility and doing the right thing, but this means I greatly miss my friends and family. I would love to sit at a table with 8 others for dinner, but I am not doing this, because the rules say we are supposed to socially distance from people in other households, even when we meet up in groups of up to 6.

Corbyn claims that it was originally fewer than 6 and then more people turned up. But looking at the photo and the table setting and the amount of food (being served in shared platters), I find this really hard to believe. Do extra people really turn up uninvited to dinner parties? Or is it more likely that he is still lying after being caught out.

Nicola Sturgeon made the chief medical officer step down when she broke the rules, I can’t imagine she will defend this