It feels like people on MN are willing schools to close

[Marcellemouse]

Lots of threads being really negative about schools reopening. These have been largely started by teachers, the latest one being about a gagging order on the BBC. My 2 and every other DC I know are thriving on schools opening again. DS actually stands a chance of doing well and getting back on track with GCSES. DC are happy and animated again. Their teachers have been fantastic, I'm massively impressed. Friends of mine who are secondary teachers are positive and happy to be back teaching in school instead of home learning. I just get a different vibe in RL than on MN about schools. What's the reality?

@herecomesthsun

Well I can see a lot of negativity on this thread- and it ain't coming from the teachers

I disagree, all the negativity is coming from the same few teachers. Everyone else is happy and positive about schools.

Can someone explain the meaning of the biscuit emoji?

I wouldn't want them to close again, but it is disappointing that despite everyone, government, etc banging on about how IMPORTANT schools are to the lives of our children, education is still horribly underfunded, teachers are still openly criticised, and the overall attitude towards education remains unchanged.

@notevenat20

What do people think about copying the French model and only sending the poorly child home and not their bubble for primaries?

I think that must be incredibly unfair on medically vulnerable children, or children who have medically vulnerable adults at home.

@Marcellemouse I know no one who works in schools who is happy and positive. We tell parents we are because we have to. But we know it's unsafe, and not really the best experience for the students. If I wanted to not go in it would be really really easy. A cough. In fact I've already had a cold and sore throat (along with 80% of the school - who knew bugs spread in schools). Had to get tested as temperature was high but was back the next day. Could have stayed off but didn't.
How anyone can say teachers want schools shut is beyond me. We could do that so easily if that's what we wanted ??

@notevenat20

Can someone explain the meaning of the biscuit emoji?

ineffability

I wouldn't want them to close again, but it is disappointing that despite everyone, government, etc banging on about how IMPORTANT schools are to the lives of our children, education is still horribly underfunded, teachers are still openly criticised, and the overall attitude towards education remains unchanged
I agree.
Sadly on here if you raise any of these issues the you're just a work shy teacher who doesn't want to do your job, you should think a bit more positively, everyone else is super happy about how schools are running at the moment, and all the usual garbage that gets spouted.

I have not said anywhere in this thread that all teachers are wanting school closures. It's just the same few that have been negative throughout.
Go on then, OP, name them. You have started a thread to have a public calling-out of a handful of individual posters? What on earth would MNHQ think of that?

"so this thread is based on a ‘vibe’ and calling out some posters for expressing concerns about the sustainability of keeping schools open under the current circumstances.
From this thread we have clear links to certain posters who are actually goading , lying and teacher bashing...hmm"

You see, the phenomenon described here sounds quite negative to me. Whereas what teachers like @noblegiraffe put forward seems eminently sensible and thoughtful about risks for teachers and pupils.

So I think the teachers seem really quite, well, constructive. There are people setting up some sort of straw man argument to suggest that teachers want schools to close. These people seem unaccountably negative.

(I am not a teacher)

In my experience it feels like school is a little isolated bubble away from what’s happening in the outside world as things are practically normal in my classroom due to the way we’ve been asked to teach. It’s the only public indoor space I can go in with no masks and no distancing with the children. We’ve even been told to close the doors and windows of its too cold as no coats allowed indoors.

It saddens me that some people don’t really consider school staff when they talk about schools closing. If too many staff get ill then that year group, class or whole school get sent home as it’s unsafe. Having this opinion doesn’t mean that I’m willing schools to close. It is reality that this is not sustainable in many schools long term.

Mistressiggi
The mumsnet version of vaguebooking

"Life shows you who you can really trust in life. If you think this is about you then it probably is"
"Omg. What's happened?"
"Can't say just people drama but it's just the worst when there's attention seeking at work"

Swap to schools
"Why does everyone want the schools closing"
"Do they?"
"Some do.. those pesky teachers do"
"Which ones?"
"Can't say but they're prolific".

Sadly on here if you raise any of these issues the you're just a work shy teacher who doesn't want to do your job

Or you’re terribly anxious and should quit teaching rather than hope for improved safety measures.

Don't be a dick OP. I'm a teacher and if we close I will still have to teach my timetable over Teams while trying to support my own DC. I don't want schools to close any more than anyone else, but I would like to be safer at work.

I think schools will close because staff will get ill. If I get ill I won't be lifting a finger work-wise until I'm recovered.

It's funny because I get the vibe that quite a few people on mumsnet enjoying stirring it with a stick for the shits and giggles.

That is true, and we also see this rearing up because denial that there's a problem is one of the first steps towards realising you're wrong.

More. Twins started Uni both need new laptops.

I was planning on spending less because I made redundant 🤦‍♀️

I disagree, all the negativity is coming from the same few teachers. Everyone else is happy and positive about schools.

Do you think there's a faint possibility that those who aren't happy and positive are those who've actually seen what the situation is like inside a school?

Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.

@LolaSmiles

Teachers : we want schools to be open but they have to do A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P ect... first. ( to the point it was impossible to ever open)

Ahh I see, so teachers discussing things to consider to have a properly organised, properly funded and smooth opening to schools is them making it impossible to open.

Got it.

Yet thousands of schools have open successfully.

There is around 10 million children in the U.K. schools haven’t actually done that bad.

Yet thousands of schools have open successfully.

Nearly one in six secondaries currently have kids isolating at home due to covid. Is that a success?

That is true, and we also see this rearing up because denial that there's a problem is one of the first steps towards realising you're wrong

I think that works both ways

Yet thousands of schools have open successfully.

There is around 10 million children in the U.K. schools haven’t actually done that bad

Given how cases have rapidly increased and many schools have students testing positive, I'm not sure what your definition of a success is.

Wouldn't it have been nicer if instead of people falling for media hype and government spin, they held the government to account to get a proper plan together for schools expanding their provision again?

It would be problematic to pushing the evil unions and work shy teacher crap that some seem bizarrely wedded to, but it might actually show the tiniest bit of concern for children and school staff.

I think that if you're happy with the numbers of children at home presently, and feel that that's a "success", you need a head wobble.

@noblegiraffe

Yet thousands of schools have open successfully.

Nearly one in six secondaries currently have kids isolating at home due to covid. Is that a success?

Yes! Considering there are around 10 million school age kids! Secondary tend to have 500+ kids in school. Jesus we are never going to get to the point where there are zero kids having to isolate - even though most are asymptotic or have mild cold or not even with covid.

@LolaSmiles

Yet thousands of schools have open successfully.

There is around 10 million children in the U.K. schools haven’t actually done that bad

Given how cases have rapidly increased and many schools have students testing positive, I'm not sure what your definition of a success is.

Wouldn't it have been nicer if instead of people falling for media hype and government spin, they held the government to account to get a proper plan together for schools expanding their provision again?

It would be problematic to pushing the evil unions and work shy teacher crap that some seem bizarrely wedded to, but it might actually show the tiniest bit of concern for children and school staff.

Ah you mean go back to online working...

The people I work with are always happy and positive about school around the children and parents. It doesn’t mean to say that they’re not worried about the situation health wise, about their family or pupils’ health and well-being or their own working conditions.