Why are we okay with students being locked up in their dorms?

[JKRowlingIsMyQueen]

I just heard about the students in Manchester who are not allowed to leave their dorms.

Why on earth is this allowed to happen? So the rest of us who are not students are allowed to get pissed in a pub, get on a plane and travel abroad and back etc., but if you are a student you are not allowed to LEAVE your dorms?

What science are these kind of rules following? The science of Boris needing more ammo to blame young people for spreading the virus?

I'm losing hope.

@HeresMe

*I haven't got one. Which is why I don't know how many will get it.

Unless someone has a genuine crystal ball or the gift of seeing into the future, they can't know either way.

How can you confidently state as a fact that only a few will get it? Do you have the gift?

Like I said at this stage it's a Russian Roulette gamble*

Statistics which say they wont

Statistics say at least 10% of patients have developed Long Covid.

That's at this early stage before many will have had a chance to get seen properly and have scans, etc for a diagnosis.

Many were young and previously healthy. They weren't hospitalised as their initial Covid was mild.

Even if it ends up being 'only' 10%. That's a significant proportion of the population.

My goodness.
You are seriously comparing two weeks indoors with mass genocide???!
Seriously???
To quote a young person - wow, just wow.

@Scottsy100

As long as they aren’t being asked to go to war and possible death hey, let’s get some perspective here. The university are just trying to curb a bigger outbreak that’s all, everyone is acting like they’re in Auschwitz 🙄

You could apply your "perspective" to any thread on Mumsnet right now.

And whilst it's all well and good to say that Universities are trying to prevent a further spread, but you are completely missing the fact this is beyond their remit. Some Universities are unlawfully detaining students by telling them they are not allowed to leave, deactivating their access passes, and incorrectly telling them they will be breaking the law if they try and get out.

Not ok with it - feel great sorrow for our young people x

@SheepandCow

My goodness. You are seriously comparing two weeks indoors with mass genocide???! Seriously??? To quote a young person - wow, just wow.

No she isnt

She didnt bring up concentration camps

Unless obviously you are referring to scottsy in which case apologies 😀

The Economist says 1% of cases cause serious long term effects. 10% is way off.

@SheepandCow

As said it's fact these things won't affect most, long covid doesn't affect most and your just scare mongering

It's so clear from this thread just how many people dislike and resent young people.

Quite depressing really.

It's shocking. They've been allowed to have Freshers and uni bars have been open, and now they're being hit with draconian measures. Typical of this Government to use stable-door methods rather than thinking it through.

@HesterShaw1 and weird. My DDs will be your doctor and vet in a few years. If they are disliked this much they'll be off. Lots of opportunities in other countries. How sad that they are held with such contempt by people. One worked in hospital all summer, on Covid ward, and the other kept your supermarket shelves stocked. But hey, let's now repay them by treating them like criminals.
Actually my 2 are having fun 😊

I see they are delivering beer to isolating students at Manchester University.....

Really struggling to feel sorry for them

@Browneyesbigbum they wouldn't let the beer in. Hall said no - it was free too. I sort of agree with this as giving a bunch of 18 year olds bottomless beer when they are bored might go a bit wrong. Moderation might go out the window a bit.

Universities were greedy and wanted to fill their halls with students for money. It’s a scandal.

As I said before, the money made by universities from halls of residence is a pittance. If it were as lucrative as people want to believe it was, Universities would be building halls everywhere rather than the private companies who are doing it. Edinburgh take £60m in revenue and in excess of £30m of direct costs, and estimated 10m of indirect costs. With a total revenue for the whole university of £1.4 bn, running something that makes less than £20m in profit isn’t why they encouraged students back.

and paying £9,000 for it
85% of students never pay back the full amount they borrow. Even if they get a refund for the year, it won’t make a difference to most in terms of what they pay back.

locking fire exits
I suspect the problem here is people don’t understand how fire exits work in most modern or refurbished buildings. Someone may well have tried a fire exit and couldn’t open it. The old “push bar to exit” aren’t in most buildings these days. They system is managed by a building management system, doors can be locked remotely but will unlock in the event of a fire alarm. Building regulations don’t allow you to have a fire exit that can be locked with a key.

@Browneyesbigbum

So you think you are isolating you aren't allowed a few drinks , stop being so pious you ought to be ashamed

@MintyMabel but no door should be locked. They have committed no crime. Yes if they break the law they can be arrested. But no one has the right to lock innocent people up. Denial of Liberty is a criminal offence. A v serious one. This is what shocked me. Tell students in close positive contact to isolate but you can't lock them in. Unless we became Stalinist Russia this week & I missed it.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer
Yes she did compare it to concentration camps. She says 'because it started with Auschwitz'.

@Zxyzoey31
It's been widely reported that experts (cardiologists and other doctors) estimate the number of Long Covid patients to be around 10%. Of course it's still early days so we can't know for sure if it end up being a higher figure.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-long-term-health-effects/covid-19-long-term-health-effects

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771111

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-53778434

Not scaremongering. Explaining why preventative measures are advisable. Calm sensible precautions.

I’m not ok with it and I’m not ok with anyone who thinks it’s ok either. It’s not legal to forcibly keep them in their halls. Even during the national lockdown the general population wasn’t subject to this, so why is it ok to do this to students? Also, what right do private security firms have to police this? They have no rights, because the students aren’t prisoners. This is fucking outrageous, but what’s even more incredible is the amount of people who seem to think that this is just fine and dandy. Perhaps they should go and live in a dictatorship, as they seem so comfortable with this kind of thing. North Korea, or somewhere like that?

@SheepandCow most of the long covid won't be students, stop your scaremongering.

but no door should be locked. They have committed no crime.

Fire doors are locked for security, they are likely always locked but nobody notices. Point is, it isn’t a risk to the students as many people here are claiming. Having one controlled point of exit in a halls of residence is standard practice. So yes, some doors should be locked.

@MintyMabel but that wasn't what happened. All doors and gates were locked and security guards refused to let students leave. That is illegal.

There was a photo doing the round on Twitter last night that showed an external fire gate at student accommodation in Leeds that had been sealed shut with cable ties.

The local fire service tweeted that they'd paid them a visit and it had been resolved.

Fire doors are locked for security

From outside yes not from inside that's just contravening fire laws