Face it. Lockdown does NOT work.

[goldrabbit22]

Corona virus is the 24th cause of death in this country.

We are not reacting this way to the other 23.

Locking healthy people up is insane.

It's actually painful listening to this every day.
Without lockdown it would have been carnage. We're in a better place than we were in April but without restrictions over winter we could be in a mess again.

What number do you think it would be if we did not lock down?

Still 24th?

Nahhh, didn’t think so.

It would be in the top 3, no doubt!

Lock down delays until lifted then measures to slow the spread....ultimately unless closing borders forever or until a vaccine then the virus will spread when Lock down lifted ....

After locking down, the number of cases and deaths fell dramatically!

PROOF THAT LOCKDOWN DOESN'T WORK

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The problem isn’t lockdown. The problem is that lockdown is only a “Pause” button and the vast majority of governments have been unable/unwilling to enact sufficiently effective measures to beat back the presence of the virus while we were/are all on “Pause”.

Of course Western Europe in particular got off to a dreadful when for some reason our governments (particularly Britain) thought they could play the “let’s ignore it an it might go away”/“oh well herd immunity” card, only awaking from their denialism mid March - giving it two whole months free reign to penetrate every region of the U.K.

Lockdown doesn't work by itself, lockdown is a last resort when all else has failed.

Covid is a contagious respiratory virus and there's little point or logic in comparing it to all other causes of death. More people would die of cancer if we stopped treatments, more people would die in car crashes if we took away seatbelts and traffic lights. If we want to avoid more unecessary death, illness and further economic and social disruption we have to make changes to how we live. Masks, social distancing, avoiding crowds, avoiding high risk environments when community transmission is high, border control, less travel. If this was tackled in the right way we could eliminate the virus and return to a more normal way of life faster as other countries have done. In time there will be treatments, vaccines and generally more knowledge on how this virus works.

But once things have spiralled out of control you have to lockdown or watch hospitals and crematoriums become overwhelmed...again.

? It did work, it. Massively reduced transmission so people could even go on holiday, mix, shielded people could come out. But the virus didn't go away so as expected cases are rising again.

We are buying time surely? Especially more important now over winter.

This is not a sensible line of argument. Despite lockdown covid was the main cause of death at its peak. We managed to get it down through severe restrictions.

A much more sensible debate is whether the medicine is worse than the disease.

But....it did work!

Suicide will over take covid as the number 1 death rate now and heart attacks etc.

Less than 0.1% of the UK population have died, there’s only 0.2% positive cases in my city (North East) yet we're in a local lockdown. England deaths were 30 people last week (might be slightly out with that figure) despite the higher positive tests.

All these restrictions and Lockdowns are doing more damage than Covid would if the restrictions were lifted and we all used common sense re distancing, hand washing and (optional) mask wearing.

The initial lockdown should have been sooner, it was ridiculous football matches and horse races were going ahead with what was happening in Italy and Spain. More should have been done to protect the most vulnerable but after 4-8 weeks of lockdown when we had more idea who was most at risk schools should have gone back and the vast majority of the population should have been able to carry on as normal (with sensible precautions).

This. “ Covid has now killed far more people around the world than any other single infectious disease this year.”
And no we shouldn’t be ignoring the other health issues either. Everyone should be treated and seen.

@Ellsbells12

Suicide will over take covid as the number 1 death rate now and heart attacks etc.

Thankfully the ONS has reported suicides up to June this year when restrictions began to be relaxed, are the lowest they've been since 2001.

@Ellsbells12

Suicide will over take covid as the number 1 death rate now and heart attacks etc.

Yes. We've already seen reports starting to come in of traumatised healthcare staff suicides and PTSD. The immensely distressing and traumatic experiences they're dealing with because of the pandemic is taking its toll.

The silver lining I can see is at least at last the government can see there's a clear public will to tackle suicide rates. Perhaps we'll finally see something done to tackle one of the biggest causes of suicide - homelessness and bad housing. Austerity linked benefit cuts and 'sanctions' too.

And yes. Covid can cause heart damage. Perhaps you're right. Long Covid related heart damage could lead to an increase in heart attacks.

Then there's the lack of available hospital treatment because of no capacity and ill staff due to unchecked Covid.

So preventative measures to save the economy and healthcare system it is.

We all know that countries who've effectively contained Covid have healthier economies.

Thankfully the ONS has reported suicides up to June this year when restrictions began to be relaxed, are the lowest they've been since 2001.

I was quite worried after all the talk about suicide that it would have been very bad. Any is too many, but I had feared for very high numbers.

It is madness. When will this madness end. The tide appears to be turning....

Less than 0.1% of the UK population have died, there’s only 0.2% positive cases in my city (North East) yet we're in a local lockdown. England deaths were 30 people last week (might be slightly out with that figure) despite the higher positive tests.

I haven't checked your figures but there is something wrong with the line of argument. If you wait until the death rates are really high it's too late. Given that there is at least a 2 week lack from infection to death, rates are doubling every 7 days and it takes a while before any restrictions really change the infection rate, you clearly have to stop the rise in infections a long time before the number of deaths becomes really high.

@loulouljh I am not sure how much more I can take I just can't live like this anymore dramatic I know but I am petrified of giving it to my parents I have a lot of anger too

@notevenat20

The issue I have is that the death rate in the under 60s is very, very low. Even if only minimum precautions were taken it would be low. If you look at the stats it is actually the over 80 age group which account for most of the deaths. I feel more should be being done to protect the vulnerable and allow everyone else to live their lives as close to normal as possible.

I question why the government seems willing to decimate the economy and ruin so many lives by enforcing restrictions on the majority when Covid only really effects a minority.

incredibly, the average of someone in the UK dying with Covid is older than the average life expectancy in the UK

The issue I have is that the death rate in the under 60s is very, very low. Even if only minimum precautions were taken it would be low. If you look at the stats it is actually the over 80 age group which account for most of the deaths. I feel more should be being done to protect the vulnerable and allow everyone else to live their lives as close to normal as possible.

This is often called the swimming pool no wee-ing lane theory.

Looking at the argument that lockdown did work because without it there would have a lot more deaths (which is impossible to prove otherwise).

What is an interesting correlation is that up to the 24th September deaths were increasing slightly over September with s peak on the 23rd September with49 UK deaths. Ever since the pub 10 pm curfew deaths have been dropping every day to just 3 yesterday.

Can I now claim that hundreds of lives have been saved because of the 10 pm pub curfew?