Will disruption over the October half term be the final straw?

[beanburgerandcheese]

Just that - will it be the point that people say enough is enough with this? Summer plans already disrupted, millions have planned for UK breaks through the October half term just to face potential disruption again. ow long will people patience last with this?

I feel a lot of people are at the point now where they are just fed up and want to get back to normal. I can't imagine peoples patience going for too much longer if I'm honest.

Well, OP, I'm sure the virus will go away if you explain this very nicely.

My holiday in November (for a special occasion) was booked last year. Just sayin'

We had so many holidays and school trips planned in the run up to Summer that all got cancelled (both as a family and individually), we are planning to stay put. It was such a faff chasing the refunds we've not bothered to investigate where we could go.

Our little city has just had 25,000 students return to Uni and, although we had few cases after mid March, I can't imagine that we will stay that way. I don't think we are alone in keeping a very low profile for the next few weeks.

I quite expect to be "busy going nowhere" and I am happy to do this is it means children can still go to school and people (that need to to escape dreadful home environments) can still go to work.

It just means that our "holiday money" pot is getting bigger!

Unless people booked before March.

Ah yes of course

I feel as bad for those people as those who booked summer holidays before march. We were meant to be going to disneyland paris in May after saving for a fair few years. It is what it is though, its noones fault and getting angry at cancelling holidays for a pandemic seems a bit daft.

@unmarkedbythat

If people have gone ahead and made plans for October half term since March, then they are a bit silly and shouldn't be at all surprised if said plans are disrupted.

That.

I'd be reluctant at the moment to book anything for next year, never mind this.

[quote LondonJax]@beanburgerandcheese. Will not being able to go on holiday be the point at which people lose patience with the restrictions? Possibly. Will they then take to the streets? Possibly. Will martial law be introduced then? Probably.

People have had operations/chemo/tests cancelled. They've not been able to see the elderly relations in care homes. Some people have lost others to this virus or lost their health, long term, to it. People in many industries have lost jobs to this virus and may never get employment again if their industry doesn't survive.

So I really hope I don't have a moaning Minnie telling me how hard done by they feel because they can't have their two weeks in the sun or wherever because of restrictions. Because they will seriously hope they hadn't chosen me to let of steam to. Letting off steam because they've lost their income or because someone is ill through this is fair enough. But if you and yours are well and employed you have nothing to moan about. Suck it up, get a grip and book next year.[/quote]
Having two weeks in the sun boosts vitamin D and low vitamin d levels have been linked to greater risk of dying from covid. It would also help preserve someone's job. Do you realise that people in the travel industry are amongst those who are losing their jobs in the greatest number?

There isn't a lot we can do about the deadly virus but our own governments flip flopping about and blatant hypocrisy is wearing thin. I think people are near enough to having had enough of Boris and his shit management of this pandemic in this country.

I've lost my job and am mentally hanging by a thread... my 'last straw' definitely won't be for those who can't go on holiday at half term.

Get a grip OP - I'm so fed up of all these entitled people who can't see the bigger picture.

@ittooshallpass It is awful you have lost your job and I hope you find another soon.

however the bigger picture is everyone's jobs plus management of the virus.

If people take holidays and follow social distancing rules etc that will keep more people in jobs, meaning there will be fewer people chasing the jobs people you are applying for, giving all of us who are not in a job a greater chance of getting one.

We had our holiday cancelled in April before lockdown. Our next window of four days was also in lockdown. We have a window of three days end of half term - we're hopeful but not booking anything until nearer the time. Whatever somehow we keep going and try to be grateful for what we have, eachother, our home, family/friends out there even if socialising limited, jobs (although I can't imagine one of mine surviving this) and our health!

Maybe it will be the time when the people breaking social distancing all along will realise they can't ignore their way out of this and actually take some responsibility for themselves.

I am meant to be going on holiday for Christmas. I will actually throw my toys out of my pram like a spoilt brat if we don't go. I've been really chilled about the whole Coronavirus but cancelling my FAB holiday will see the toddler in me lose it.

I don’t think people will lose patience OP, I think many people’s capacity to cope is being stretched to breaking point.

I get the impression that most people who are acting unwisely are genuinely doing the best they can. I see people who are burned out, anxious and stressed beyond their limits getting angry and blaming others and taking refuge in explanations that reduce their feelings of the world being out of control.

This time will come to an end.

What can you do to bolster your own and others’ resilience?

The Final straw is you or someone you love dying of Covid surely?

The Final straw is you or someone you love dying of Covid surely?
Or cancer
or heart disease
or a car crash
or any of the other things that kill 10,000 people a week in the UK
COVID or no COVID

For University students, crossing the road is more dangerous than COVID

But COVID trumps everything

The end of Transition is far more likely to cause riots
when people realise what is really happening

@wanderings

The "final straw" could indeed be riots and/or civil unrest. To be honest, I am surprised this hasn't happened already. People are still believing everything Saint Boris and his merry men tells them.

By the government's own admission, the public have been more compliant than expected. It's all very well for Saint Boris to pontificate about "crackdowns" by the army and the police, but the reality is that even with this, he needs the co-operation of the people. If he loses the support and co-operation of a large part of the country, even the army and the police can't help him - he knows that, the public knows that.

I'm wondering about civil unrest.

There has been some of that where I live, albeit in a minor and pretty peaceful way (at the weekend, after the pubs closed at 10PM). There was a police presence, but the police (wisely, I think) just kept an eye. A very large crowd of people, no social distancing, lots of hugging strangers, chanting their refusal to go home. As I say, all pretty good natured. However, I don't think it would take that much for it to become bigger and uglier.

I have never protested or rioted about anything in my life, but I would do if I find myself even more hemmed in and restricted. I have already lost an awful lot, so have very little left to lose now, apart from freedom of thought and action.

I have no interest in holidays or Christmas, btw, so no dog in either of those fights!

Unfortunately the virus isn't going away just because we're fed up with it.

@ListeningQuietly

The Final straw is you or someone you love dying of Covid surely? Or cancer or heart disease or a car crash or any of the other things that kill 10,000 people a week in the UK COVID or no COVID

For University students, crossing the road is more dangerous than COVID

But COVID trumps everything

The end of Transition is far more likely to cause riots
when people realise what is really happening

Yes, the worst thing that could ever happen to me would be one of my children dying. But them dying of Covid would be no worse than them dying of anything else.

@Zany15

Unfortunately the virus isn't going away just because we're fed up with it.

Neither are meningitis, MRSA, septicaemia, swine flu, seasonal flu, pneumonia, pleurisy, and many, many, many others. But we still manage to accommodate all of those. Why is Covid seen to be so different?

@AlexaShutUp

I feel a lot of people are at the point now where they are just fed up and want to get back to normal. I can't imagine peoples patience going for too much longer if I'm honest.

Well, OP, I'm sure the virus will go away if you explain this very nicely.

The virus might not be going away but if the balance tops to the majority being fed up and getting on with their lives normally then there comes a time when the restrictions are pointless. Unless the government start imprisoning people which they aren’t going to do, the rules rely on people actually following them. If everyone doesn’t then there isn’t much point to them

Well I would think the final straw would be for many if they looked at the data showing death by age group.

Death at any age is of course tragic, but In Scotland the average age of Scottish covid victims is higher than average age expectancy.

It was certainly the final straw for me when I started looking at the graphs towards the end of May and waited for a response that took the data into account. Still waiting. I'll obey most of the rules to keep my DS at school but if they close again then let's see what happens and how compliant the general populace is then.

Certiecumboyle the other diseases you mention are not causing a worldwide pandemic.

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In the USA, around 200,000 college students have tested positive for COVID
but less than 30 have needed medical treatment of any sort ....

Zany
the other diseases you mention are not causing a worldwide pandemic.
Indeed but they cause lots and lots and LOTS of deaths

COVID is not a severe disease
its just highly contagious
and showing up which countries are shit at Public Health care

@myrtilles "Do you realise that people in the travel industry are amongst those who are losing their jobs in the greatest number?"

Yes I did realise that. Which is why I said "Letting off steam because they've lost their income or because someone is ill through this is fair enough. "

I was replying to the inferred idea that people losing their week or two holiday in October was going to cause them to finally lose their patience, throw all caution to the wind and have a temper tantrum of epic proportions.

Because to lose your job is awful, to see the travel industry or hospitality industry on its knees is awful. But I would imagine to watch your loved one struggling for breath on a ventilator, watch someone who has cancer or a similar illness not be able to get the treatment they need or, like we did, to have a limit of 6 people only to your mother funeral is much, much harder. Industries may well come back, jobs may come back in an altered state. For some people this year will be the end.

Worrying about a two week holiday in light of all that and using it as an reason why people may lose their patience is truly ridiculous.

Which is why I said, if you're healthy, your family is healthy and you have employment, you have very little to worry about. And a two week holiday in the sun isn't a right.