Isn't it good that lots of younger people are catching CV?

[Marcellemouse]

They seem mainly asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but won't this supposed mass spread at universities and schools help to spread up creating herd immunity? I appreciate some will take this back to vulnerable parents, but there seems to be no issues amongst the young who are catching it. Will they theoretically just get it out the way by allowing schools and universities to stay open so they can get on with their lives?

@Marcellemouse it’s September nearly October why do you think herd immunity can be achieved without a vaccine? I cannot cope with the stupidity anymore.
That’s without the casual comment about vulnerable parents. Have some common sense.

I think it’s a good thing for them. Coronaviruses are going to come back around and any potential immunity might help them in older age. I know immunity might not be long lasting but your immune system does recognise certain invaders and repeated infections of corona do tend to be milder. Not sure of the scientific ins and outs but that’s my opinion.

Of course you will have community spread, and staff members more at risk so that’s where the problem lies. For them personally though. It is no bad thing.

Apparently an 18yo was one of the deaths yesterday.
But do agree to some extent that they are highly likely to catch it with visiting the pubs. Maybe they shouldn't be allowed off campus.

A 18yr old dies yesterday amongst others under 30, umder 40 yr olds.
There has been a big increase of primary aged children requiring hospital care due to covid in the last week.
More people died of covid in last 7 days than in the 7 days proceeding march lockdown so no i dont find increasing positives in any age group reasuring

High numbers of people with mild symptoms is reassuring, but herd immunity doesn't exist in a student bubble. Until the older generation or vulnerable can be protected with a vaccine, herd immunity won't work.

Biggest increase in hospitalizations is in the 18-45 female group.

Not sure it's a good thing for so many people getting sick enough to need hospital treatment, either for the individual, the people they pass it on to or for NHS capacity

@Trackandtrace

A 18yr old dies yesterday amongst others under 30, umder 40 yr olds. There has been a big increase of primary aged children requiring hospital care due to covid in the last week. More people died of covid in last 7 days than in the 7 days proceeding march lockdown so no i dont find increasing positives in any age group reasuring

Where have you heard that about children?

@Trackandtrace

How do you know that? Do you have a link to that information or is it anecdotal?

@Trackandtrace I'm not finding that information on line. What is your source please?

@Trackandtrace scaremongering. If you cannot provide a source where your information is from them please do not comment, it's really unhelpful.

Not sure it's a good thing for so many people getting sick enough to need hospital treatment

It isn't, but on the other hand, I suspect those who need care are actually getting it now, whereas in March/April many people were being denied care or being taken to hospital far too late. We locked down before to give the NHS time to plan and sort out capacity - we should have that capacity now.

@Trackandtrace
Not wanting to minimise this but the 18 year old had underlying health conditions (all recent deaths have). Scaremongering is not helpful.
Where have you heard about primary school children hospital admissions?

Maybe they shouldn't be allowed off campus.

Is that a joke?

There is increasing evidence that immunity doesn't last, and second infections aren't always milder. See below:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/nevada-reinfection-case-highlights-mysteries-covid-19
In fact virologists thought from the beginning that the more severe the first infection, the longer the protection and, conversely, that those who had it mildly could get worse forms subsequently.
So- no, not a good thing.
And pre-existing conditions are such a red herring. So many people have pre-existing conditions that don't in any way limit their life expectancy or day to day functioning.
I have two. Neither stop me from doing anything (including long distance running) and my life expectancy is completely normal.

[quote Marcellemouse]@Trackandtrace
Not wanting to minimise this but the 18 year old had underlying health conditions (all recent deaths have). Scaremongering is not helpful.
Where have you heard about primary school children hospital admissions?[/quote]
Oh, underlying conditions, that’s ok then.

Lack of information about long Covid, evidence that immunity doesn’t last and the risk of others catching it from these young people makes me say no. Sorry.

“It’s ok they had underlying conditions.” Kinda the type of thing the Nazis said.

You don't become immune agaisnt flu so I don't know where people get the knowledge that this can be heard immune agaisnt

@Marcellemouse

I disagree with this premise as students could have unknowingly passed it along to: delivery drivers, shop workers, student accomodation cleaners, taxi drivers etc etc. People typically lose their antibodies within 3- 4 months, so long term "immunity" potentially unlikely.

Most public health officials do not support a " herd immunity" approach without a vaccine. Only a small percentage of the population has had the virus, with over 40,000 deaths. If we need over 70% of the population to have had it for "herd immunity", can you imagine how many deaths / hospitalisations will need to happen as a result ?

The thing about underlying conditiions is that huge numbers of people have at least one, but they live perfectly normal, healthy lives so only those close to them are aware of them. Thinking of my close family my mum, dad, stepmother, sister, brother in law, mother in law and I all have underlying health conditions, but we all work, travel, play sport etc.

I think saying "underlying health conditions" should only be relevant if the condition was life limiting. I know 2 children who have or have had serious health issues (heart and cancer) but have both received treatment and are expected to live a long and healthy life.

@Marcellemouse

They seem mainly asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but won't this supposed mass spread at universities and schools help to spread up creating herd immunity? I appreciate some will take this back to vulnerable parents, but there seems to be no issues amongst the young who are catching it. Will they theoretically just get it out the way by allowing schools and universities to stay open so they can get on with their lives?

Do you think that these young people exist in a hermetically sealed bubble

Who out of your family are you going to volunteer to catch it from a student? Or does herd immunity only apply to other families, not yours?

Yet another fuck the vulnerable and those with underlying health conditions thread. Nice. Lots of those with health conditions are likely to live long lives. Why is this still not getting through to some. Even the hard hearted Tory government are not willing to let it spread and take out the weaker amongst us, thank god some of you aren’t PM.

40 people have died this week from covid. Right before lock down we were having a few hundred deaths a day wtf you on about lol.

Given that I've just heard a student on the radio say that in a flat of 11 4 have tested positive and some of those travelled on a train and bus to the testing centre then no it's not a good idea. Honestly, if you have symptoms and are in an outbreak and can't travel to a testing centre then just do the 10 days (which you'd have to do anyway with a positive test).
Asides from all the other reasons mentioned above it also isn't a good idea as it is leading to school bubbles popping all over the case. Very soon more children will be off school than in school in some areas due to burst bubbles and if that includes primary children then there will be lots of parents off work. So there are also lots of practical reasons why it isn't a good idea.