Isn't it good that lots of younger people are catching CV?

[Marcellemouse]

They seem mainly asymptomatic or have mild symptoms but won't this supposed mass spread at universities and schools help to spread up creating herd immunity? I appreciate some will take this back to vulnerable parents, but there seems to be no issues amongst the young who are catching it. Will they theoretically just get it out the way by allowing schools and universities to stay open so they can get on with their lives?

@TheDailyCarbuncle

Right *@Bluelinings*, so I take it you're assuming that the if 'right measures' are 'enforced early' that won't have any negative effect on people or kill people?

You’re a difficult person to discuss things with. You seem to just be looking for people to be snarky to and unwilling to listen. I’d suggest your obsession with arguing with people on the Internet is as bad for your health as any restriction. Have a day off.

@hm246

It’s seems to have worked in Sweden.

Sweden has one of the highest Covid death rates in Europe. Super!

People in Sweden soon discovered that the best way to stop the virus was to maintain distance and wear masks. They didn't have a population who looked at what was going on else where and said sod it I'm not doing that , you can't make me.

@NekoShiro

Covid, even mild and asymptomatic cases, cause things like blood clotting and damage to the heart and lungs, someone who caught covid at 12 could face having a stroke from a blood clot travelling to the brain at 16, or a heart attack in their 20s, perfectly healthy adults are becoming chronic illness suffers due to having caught this virus, catching covid could cut 10-20 years off of people's lives, we just don't know what the long term effects are so I don't understand why people are so happy to let themselves and their family catch it.

This is bollocks.......🐮shit

"NekoShiro

Covid, even mild and asymptomatic cases, cause things like blood clotting and damage to the heart and lungs, someone who caught covid at 12 could face having a stroke from a blood clot travelling to the brain at 16, or a heart attack in their 20s, perfectly healthy adults are becoming chronic illness suffers due to having caught this virus, catching covid could cut 10-20 years off of people's lives, we just don't know what the long term effects are so I don't understand why people are so happy to let themselves and their family catch it.

This is bollocks.......🐮shit"

Yep. I loved the "we just dont know" bit so ah well I will just make shit up for drama.

We are now seeing an excess in hospitalisation of women aged between 20 and 40. Is that counted as good? It's not in my mind.
Any death is 1 too many.

Surely the higher amount of infections, whatever the age, the more chance of complications or death. Every death is someone’s loved one and when people say “oh they had an underlying condition” , it doesn’t mean their lives were going to be cut short. An underlying condition could be mild well controlled asthma or diabetes.

Exactly. Some of us do have children with underlying health conditions. 😢

What a fantastic response @Bluelinings, it's exactly the same response that's always given by people who don't want to admit that they don't really care if restrictions hurt or kill people.

@TheDailyCarbuncle

What a fantastic response *@Bluelinings*, it's exactly the same response that's always given by people who don't want to admit that they don't really care if restrictions hurt or kill people.

I do care. In bit arguing with you any longer. Bye.

@x2boys

Underlying health conditions can include something like diabetes ,which can be managed and managed well people can expect to live a long time , my Dh has diabetes he's 45 I don't expect to lose him anytime soon ,but apparently he's dispensable due to his underlying health conditions

Same as my 9 year old. 😢

@TheDailyCarbuncle

It's neither a good nor a bad thing. It's just what happens with viruses. The idea that it can be prevented indefinitely is utter madness and eventually people will have to let go of it. In the meantime we all have to play this stupid 'staying safe' game that is killing other people, but who gives a fuck eh because all the matters is covid. Everyone else who dies is just collateral damage.

And people who show such massive concern about 'the vulnerable' are total fucking hypocrites who don't give a shiny shit about being vulnerable to the effects of lockdowns and restrictions. Holier than thou fucking idiots the lot of them.

And what happens when the virus infected numbers continue to grow amd the hospitals become over flowing? Do you think cancer treatment, medical treatment for heart attacks, car accidents etc will be uneffected

@TheDailyCarbuncle

It doesn't have to be an either or scenario. Either you protect people from Covid or you protect others, the economy etc.

Many other countries acted swiftly ( NZ, Germany, Denmark, Japan etc) and they did not have the same rates of death nor did they devastate others / the economy in the process.

The UK is recovering from a decade of austerity cuts, therefore the NHS, care homes, Social Care, local councils, schools etc were already lacking in funding prior to Covid. If you want to look at why the UK was ill prepared in this situation, don't blame public health policy.

Sweden 😂😂😂

See -independent SAGE around 2 20pm. I in 5 people in their 20s still has symptoms after 3 weeks. Prof Anthony Costello mentioned that organs with higher levels of ACE 2 receptors are likely to be worse affected. This would point to the testis and fallopian tubes, so there may be possible long term problems with fertility for example.

It is a poorly understood illness. It is certainly a bonus that for many people the initial infection is mild, thank goodness, but if it is possible to organise arrangements so that fewer people catch it, that would be preferable,

@Jrobhatch29

"NekoShiro

Covid, even mild and asymptomatic cases, cause things like blood clotting and damage to the heart and lungs, someone who caught covid at 12 could face having a stroke from a blood clot travelling to the brain at 16, or a heart attack in their 20s, perfectly healthy adults are becoming chronic illness suffers due to having caught this virus, catching covid could cut 10-20 years off of people's lives, we just don't know what the long term effects are so I don't understand why people are so happy to let themselves and their family catch it.

This is bollocks.......🐮shit"

Yep. I loved the "we just dont know" bit so ah well I will just make shit up for drama.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-long-term-health-effects/covid-19-long-term-health-effects

'Persistent health problems reported following acute COVID-19 disease include:

respiratory symptoms and conditions such as chronic cough, shortness of breath, lung inflammation and fibrosis, and pulmonary vascular disease
cardiovascular symptoms and disease such as chest tightness, acute myocarditis and heart failure
protracted loss or change of smell and taste
mental health problems including depression, anxiety and cognitive difficulties
inflammatory disorders such as myalgia, multisystem inflammatory syndrome, Guillain Barre syndrome, or neuralgic amyotrophy
gastrointestinal disturbance with diarrhoea
continuing headaches
fatigue, weakness and sleeplessness
liver and kidney dysfunction
clotting disorders and thrombosis
lymphadenopathy
skin rashes'

www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/is-coronavirus-a-disease-of-the-blood-vessels

'From reports of ‘sticky blood’ raising the risk of deep vein thrombosis, heart attack or stroke, to neurological effects, to painful red and swollen areas on the feet known as ‘Covid toe’ – many of these symptoms are thought to be linked to effects on our blood vessels.'

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

'Organ damage caused by COVID-19
Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

• Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.

-Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.

-Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

-Blood clots and blood vessel problems
COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown.

Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.'

Fatigue from long covid article:
www.bbc.com/news/stories-54106272

Sometimes she slept more than 16 hours per day, and struggled with the day-to-day activities needed to look after herself.

"When I did speak with the doctor regarding my dizziness, the fact I have fainted, and also about my fatigue, he openly stated that he did not know how to support me and that the virus is still so new. This of course left me feeling even worse."

In such cases, the WHO says, symptoms may include extreme fatigue, persistent cough or exercise intolerance. The virus can cause inflammation in the lungs, cardiovascular and neurological systems, and it can take a long time for the body to recover.

According to the Covid Symptom Study app, which tracks people's symptoms regardless of whether they had a test, about 300,000 people in the UK have reported symptoms lasting for more than a month, and 60,000 people have been ill for more than three months.

Barbara Melville is an admin of the Long Covid Support Group on Facebook, which was set up to provide a place for people to talk about their experiences and support each other. It now has over 21,000 members, who are living with a wide range of symptoms.

"The chronic illness community is used to waiting 12 months to see a specialist or spending three hours in a clinic waiting for a 10-minute test, but this may well come as an unpleasant shock to previously healthy folks," says Jo Southall, an occupational therapist who specialises in supporting people with chronic illness.

A group of long covid sufferes campaigning for better medical care and understanding of their illness:
www.longcovidsos.org/

The Zoe Covid Symptom Study has produced figures suggesting that 10% of people who contracted Covid-19 are still unwell after three weeks, and that 5% may continue to be sick for months.

While it’s still claimed that patients with ‘mild’ symptoms usually recover within a couple of weeks, previously fit, healthy and in many cases young people are battling continuing illness and are unable to return to their previous lives. Sufferers report breathing difficulties, muscle weakness and pain, fatigue and prolonged fever as well as neurological, vascular and cardiac symptoms.

These sorts of complications are possible with any viral infection. Rare but possible. This isn’t specific to Covid. People seem to forget this. You are focusing on rare complications and getting hysterical as if these are common. People seem to have lost their ability to think critically.

TheDailyCarbuncle I’m with you on this. Though I think just like what happened with Brexit and the election, one group screams down the other and it soon becomes an echo chamber..... While our perspective (or similar) is far more common at a population level, on Mumsnet you’d never know.
Personally I’m sick of all this hysterical shit. You’d think no one gets sick or dies of anything else these days. Certainly they don’t seem to matter. I’d personally like to see the news outlets publishing the daily death stats from all other causes each day alongside those from Covid. A bit of perspective would be grand.

@NekoShiro

Fatigue from long covid article: www.bbc.com/news/stories-54106272

Sometimes she slept more than 16 hours per day, and struggled with the day-to-day activities needed to look after herself.

"When I did speak with the doctor regarding my dizziness, the fact I have fainted, and also about my fatigue, he openly stated that he did not know how to support me and that the virus is still so new. This of course left me feeling even worse."

In such cases, the WHO says, symptoms may include extreme fatigue, persistent cough or exercise intolerance. The virus can cause inflammation in the lungs, cardiovascular and neurological systems, and it can take a long time for the body to recover.

According to the Covid Symptom Study app, which tracks people's symptoms regardless of whether they had a test, about 300,000 people in the UK have reported symptoms lasting for more than a month, and 60,000 people have been ill for more than three months.

Barbara Melville is an admin of the Long Covid Support Group on Facebook, which was set up to provide a place for people to talk about their experiences and support each other. It now has over 21,000 members, who are living with a wide range of symptoms.

"The chronic illness community is used to waiting 12 months to see a specialist or spending three hours in a clinic waiting for a 10-minute test, but this may well come as an unpleasant shock to previously healthy folks," says Jo Southall, an occupational therapist who specialises in supporting people with chronic illness.

A group of long covid sufferes campaigning for better medical care and understanding of their illness:
www.longcovidsos.org/

The Zoe Covid Symptom Study has produced figures suggesting that 10% of people who contracted Covid-19 are still unwell after three weeks, and that 5% may continue to be sick for months.

While it’s still claimed that patients with ‘mild’ symptoms usually recover within a couple of weeks, previously fit, healthy and in many cases young people are battling continuing illness and are unable to return to their previous lives. Sufferers report breathing difficulties, muscle weakness and pain, fatigue and prolonged fever as well as neurological, vascular and cardiac symptoms.

I wasn't calling you out on the existence of long covid so you wasted your time on all those links as I won't even bother reading. I had issue with you saying it might take years off people's lives and people might drop dead in a few years when you have no way of knowing that as you're not magic.

?? Was your comment to me? My point is that I wouldn't roll the dice and risk putting myself or my family through the chance of something unknown, I'm guess I'm lucky that I can choose not to, I don't think it's hysterical to say that it's a possibility that could happen to anyone.

Dw it was just stuff I quickly googled and read while in the loo plus a copy paste of a comment I posted yesterday :) I don't understand why you wouldn't want to learn more about long covid though, they're short articles.

Oh and that's why o used the word might, might cause unknown long term damage like early death

@NekoShiro

?? Was your comment to me? My point is that I wouldn't roll the dice and risk putting myself or my family through the chance of something unknown, I'm guess I'm lucky that I can choose not to, I don't think it's hysterical to say that it's a possibility that could happen to anyone.

But you can't say it will take 10-20 years of someone's lifespan as you have no way of knowing that!

@NekoShiro

Dw it was just stuff I quickly googled and read while in the loo plus a copy paste of a comment I posted yesterday :) I don't understand why you wouldn't want to learn more about long covid though, they're short articles.

I already know about long covid. That isn't what I had issue with. Saying people might drop dead in a few years or knock 20 years off their life is just complete made up rubbish atm unless you have a crystal ball.

Well, we don't know yet of the long term consequences of catching Covid 19. So wouldn't it be better to try and protect people as opposed to somehow believing that it's a good thing if they catch it? And if we loose a few vulnerable kids along the way, well, they were sick anyway.

I find this attitude truly exasperating.