Ok then let's see what the Prime Minister has to say........

[frozendaisy]

It's the hope that destroys you isn't it!

I did see or read somewhere today that they were seeing more 20 somethings in hospital, so I think they perhaps haven’t been clear enough that although it’s very age dominant, the risk is very much Russian roulette .

Unless of course they and their mates are going to make more money from all the lucrative contracts they are giving to each other that they don't actually care if they bankrupt the Country!

Disaster Capitalism anyone?

I don't believe this Govt, who try and make people dying of cancer go back to work, have let levels of child poverty rise to the levels they have, kept wages so low that people who work full time still need to to use a food bank have thrown billions of pounds at a furlough scheme for a mild infection!

Well we'd know by now surely? Enough people have bloody had it and been absolutely fine?

Can I ask what he said about the elderly and vulnerable and this stance we should stay home so everyone else can get on with it? We’re watv a film about a library, the homeless and lots of nakedness so I haven’t seen it (I watched the parliament questions this afternoon, I find the announcements make me cry)

I heard that rumble too. I thought it sounded like someone entered the room

And yet it can't be COVID - because they wouldn't reopen the schools, and put their own kids back in, if a whole generation of kids would be rendered disabled by long COVID.

So it's something else.

What is it? What are we being readied for?

I presume the war 'talk' is to remove blame. HCA deaths can be spun as heroic casualties of war and excess deaths is just what you'd expect in a war with a cunning enemy.

Unless they' scared that it mainly affects their main voting demographic?

I didn’t think I would say this but I thought it was a good speech. Explains why shielding the vulnerable doesn’t work and why we all need to work together. And explains why we don’t want to flood the nhs with Covid patients

Just seen a thread on this too- but I’ve also seen a scientist talking about it today - they’re seeing women in 20s increasingly in hospital . Related to professions they think

@Redcherries basically "don't be so stupid, anyone can pass it on and we can't just lock people up and let it rip through the population because eventually it would get to the elderly and vulnerable"

@tootyfruitypickle

I did see or read somewhere today that they were seeing more 20 somethings in hospital, so I think they perhaps haven’t been clear enough that although it’s very age dominant, the risk is very much Russian roulette .

It really isn’t. This disease kills people who are end of life

Average age of death in UK is 82
The majority with at least one comorbidity, mostly 3

Young people are simply not dying

Despite being prone to anxiety and being quite generally repulsed by the tory government, even I don't think they would reopen schools if they knew Covid would cause a huge majority long lasting disability. Many of them have their own children in schools. I just can't believe that could be true.

@PicsInRed

He looks extremely tired and that green sofa behind him looks terribly uncomfortable.

From what he said, I think London will be locked down in a week or so.

Why do you think this? Genuine question. I am in London.

The comment about COVID sweeping the population and making it into the homes of the shielded doesn't make numerical sense - yes, some individual homes, but not all. They would be shielding separately, so would be siloed from each other, so one breach would breach just one home. Not the entire shielded population.

However if we lockdown again we will destroy this economy.

@PicsInRed

And yet it can't be COVID - because they wouldn't reopen the schools, and put their own kids back in, if a whole generation of kids would be rendered disabled by long COVID.

So it's something else.

What is it? What are we being readied for?

Give it a rest ffs. 🙄

This is something that affects the entire world. I don’t think any country has managed to avoid economics implications

Thanks @QueenOllie. As someone shielded but also a business owner hugely impacted on both fronts I want to be home and survive but need my business to survive too, very confusing position, can’t stay home if I can’t pay the mortgage.

Covid doesn’t even enter the top 10 of causes of death

This is simply not proportionate

We know much more about the virus than we did in February / March - who it catches, how to treat it etc. We also know the PCR test throws back a high number of false positives. We also know that infections will increase when we open things up.

There is no need for extra restrictions, this is just what we have to live with. No super heroes required

Boris it will be better by spring, we are just entering autumn, may as well chuck my self off bridge now.

Basically saying there, schools are on the table to close (not completely off the table as promised). There is the possibility that your child’s education will be put at risk. This time though, it’s all your fault you naughty rule breakers. Absolutely fuck all to do with the the test system collapsing, we aren’t prioritising teachers and their families for tests, oh and every one in education warned us.

This. I want to fucking teach. There are loads of things we could have done months ago to make schools more resilient and try to keep giving most kids at least some quality education.

There is even more that could be done to create a system where kids who have to be at home don't completely losee out.

Yet all the teachers, unions, academy chains, school leaders, academics and LEAs who have been saying this since lockdown started are whinging, unpatriotic gits who just want to stay home and do no work.

@Toilenstripes

I think he’s come across better than he has in a long time. He certainly looks better.

Agree

Why do you think this? Genuine question. I am in London.

There's been recent talk of a London-specific lockdown, Sadiq Khan has demanded further measures and Boris' final warning at the end of the address sounded like a warning of lockdown - but not necessarily on a national level. I think the reason for the level of official alarm now (vs when northern towns locked down) is that it's now London in their sights.

www.mylondon.news/news/health/london-coronavirus-sadiq-khan-breaks-18977078

“Carlislemumof4

Good speech and exactly the right message. Adhering to the new rules and laws isn't optional. Everyone needs to take responsibility for protecting others as well as themselves. If we do that, wear masks, socially distance, we can work, see our children get an education, shop, eat out rather than have a winter locked down at home.”

Can’t stand Bozza but I agree. I just couldn’t stop the little voice in the back of head saying... ‘yes but what about effing Dominic Cummings?! He didn’t stick to the rules so if he didn’t why should we?’’

I will stick to them and have done but good god the hypocrisy!

BTW. To those that are doubting the severity of this illness please don’t. I know people that have had it. Some thought they were going to die but luckily didn’t. Some had it mildly but are still struggling with a wide range of symptoms. All under 50 and previously healthy. I know doctors. Lots of them. I’m not in a high risk bracket but having heard from the horses mouth what it can be like I’ll avoid it like the....er....well you know.

@hamstersarse yes you’re absolutely right but there’s no guarantee is the thing. And it’s not just about dying from it. But yes individual risk is low of course.