My teens are saying they will ignore any new restrictions

[WearyandBleary]

Big argument this evening. My teens are saying they will ignore any new restrictions because they are mixing at school/college anyway, so what’s the point of not mixing outside of school?

They are really furious. I am quite shocked at how angry they are.

Are they being really selfish? I’m so cross with them. How are other people’s teens taking the possibility of more restrictions?

Good for them. I'm proud of kids standing up to these pathetic restrictions on their freedom.

There isn't going to be a vaccine that is readily available to all even on the off chance they discover one that works. Like the flu vaccine it won't work well on the vulnerable elderly anymore than the flu vaccine does.

Flu vaccine has been available for years. There are still 20,000 flu deaths a year. Oh - and despite promising more availability there is already a lack of flu vaccine this year. What chance is there of there being sufficient of a new vaccine for the whole world. The kids that are standing up for their rights are to be applauded.

Kids were in school at height of pandemic were cases were 10x that of now

No masks or distancing then

Teachers didn’t go off then at drop of a hat (I’m a Teacher)

People weren’t tested so didn’t know and so carried on

No disruption to 100s cos joe bloggs coughed a few times

Didn’t matter as people were better in few days!

Best to just apply same criteria and protect those at risk

All these teachers who say they’re high risk - no more teachers died at peak than any other other profession 🤷‍♀️ We were all in and people just carried on as we could have done with cold and flu

Kids just stay away from their grandparents and those heavily at risk - most people saying they’re vilnerable as not actually high risk

Simple

In dds achool loads of sick but dd tella me no one is getting tested or admitting to symtoms

They’re not sick just have signs etc - many parents know and are happy with that as school can now carry on and they can come back in few days

@Notfeelinggreattoday It was mentioned in the Times today. Apparently the government has data confirming this, but has not published it.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/curfews-fines-a-second-lockdown-what-are-boris-johnsons-options-qtct2fjcz?shareToken=a93260b2406ad0550871a8147ac8c7c7

It's that attitude that is sending the R rate back up again.

@VickySunshine

It's that attitude that is sending the R rate back up again.

No it isn’t

Not true. SOME Young people are affected by LongCovid

There, fixed it for you.

Covid isn't the only killer. People have forgotten that.

Simple

If it was that bloody simple why wouldn't the science and medical leads recommend it? Maybe they just don't have the intelligence to think it through?

I completely agree that if you spend the day in a classroom with someone, there is no greater risk by seeing them out of school.

No it isn’t ... yes it is

I don’t know anyone genuinely following new rules

And therein lies the rub 🙄

“The science” does not recommend it

“The science” isn’t one voice, one entity

“The science” already sold us dud stats about people dying with Covid (instead of counting those dying “of” Covid)

Scientists have various opinions and stats

The government is choosing to use those stats and models that are most apocalyptic to get us to submit, to comply

I do understand that they are angry and confused as why one rule is school and another out, but we all need to fulfill the rules. We are all in the same boat, fed up of it, but we need to keep going, and protecting ourselves and others.
I say this after whitnessing how fast this thing spreads! We have passed from zero daily cases to a new local lockdown in two weeks. Apparently thanks to a gathering that yielded 19 cases who further spreaded it.
Now, also think of it. The names of these people are known (not public..) and they know what has happened for their piece of fun. They must be feeling rather guilty.....

“Attitudes” don’t spread anything. The virus is spreading because we had to open things up and that’s what it does.

Maybe, but they can't just turn their back on the law

Yes they can, there is no enforcement in this country, public services are a disgrace.
Who do you think will check up on them?

Every tried ringing 101 ?

LongCovid. Now I've heard it all.

@Timeforanotherusername I have indeed set my children an example that they do not need to swallow wholesale whatever line any government peddles to them. They need to engage their brains and judge risks, not trot out platitudes. I was more worried when they were putting on their earnest faces and telling me that PEOPLE WILL DIE if I sit on a park bench.

Honestly if I could choose an age I wouldn't want to be right now it's teens/early 20s. Poor buggers! At that age I was drinking, dancing, finding love, enjoying my mates, music, travel etc (as well as studying of course! )

Imagine having what should be the most exciting time of your life curtailed in this way, and your parents can't even do anything about it. Your parents! Who've basically been in control of everything until now.

They should be spreading their wings and discovering the world and all of life's possibilities. I just want to cry for them.

I would be so angry if I was a teenager. Fucked over with Brexit by selfish old boomers who won’t even be around for the fallout of that and now expected to sacrifice their education and social lives to protect them from an illness.

Because they won’t admit the obvious

That the virus can be delayed but not stopped

Coronavirus will come round every single year even with vaccine

The young are not at risk

Thus keep the young away from those at risk

It’s not that hard

Separate shop times - even Separate pubs and restaurant seatings if needs be

Keep kids from older family - provide different/ free childcare options

Create a division in terms of risk/at risk til it blows over

My kids and me to be fair, are working and out and about to pubs and gyms and restaurants etc but to counter that I don’t see elderly relatives face to face, I wash hands I wear mask and I don’t shop at vulnerable shopper hours

At work the vulnerable work diff shifts or work from home

There are options

To those who argue 'we have x many cancer/diabetes deaths every day and no one makes a fuss' the difference is you can't pass on cancer or diabetes through human contact. If you could we'd have a lot more to make a fuss about.

@fuzzymoon

It's just a kick reaction to the news. They need time to absorb it. Agree with how awful it is. Normalise their feelings. I'd be surprised if they ignore the restrictions but they just need time to get their heads round it.

This is certainly an optimistic way of looking at things! Its been 20 years since I was a teenager but I truly dont think time to 'absorb the news' would have led to my accepting the continued restriction on (what to a teenager feels like) my whole life.

It's two toddlers rather than covid that restrict my social life these days and I'm extremely grateful I'm no longer young. I stopped paying any attention to lockdown rules when it became apparent thanks to Dominic Cummings that the rules only apply to some of us and I've no intention to change my behaviour now. Unpopular stance with some of the more pious posters on this thread but I very much doubt I'm alone.

If it's important to you that they follow these rules, well, you are the parent.

Bloody good on them. After what my family went through during the first lockdown, we are only just starting to recover and we are not going back to it. I am at the point now where my first concern is my family and my family's wellbeing, it's not my job to protect the nation.

Herein lies another problem:

I do understand that they are angry and confused as why one rule is school and another out, but we all need to fulfill the rules. We are all in the same boat, fed up of it, but we need to keep going, and protecting ourselves and others.*

We are NOT all in the same boat- yes everyone may be fed up of the rules but lockdown and the effects have not been so bad for everyone and teenagers have been affected particularly badly.

It actually seems to me a sensible idea, to allow them to socialise with people they are coming into contact with at school anyway, to at least allow one group of people something closer to normal, something that protects their mental health, particularly as they are at such a crucial stage in their development. And because the risk seems tiny! Is it because we all have to be 'in this together', that some people don't want them to do this?

Mini

I think what people mean is that smoking kills thousands and costs exomony millions yet we don’t ban it

Same with bad diets, alcohol etc
Lots of things that cause many deaths and are proven are still acceptable

@Vallmo47

I completely get where they are coming from - a place of despair and disappointment in how it’s all been handled. My 12 year old is mixing with a massive year group and yet he’s not allowed to go public swimming because our local leisure centre is closed. Riiiight.

What would you prefer? They close the schools As well?