Why has the North been hit harder?

[Desperado40]

Does anyone know why covid rates are rising higher in some areas and not others? My understanding is that big cities/higher density of population is a big factor, but this is just a guess. In that case, why was it Bolton, Manchester etc and not London?
This is a genuine question that I'd like to find some answers to.

London was hit much harder much earlier.

London currently has higher immunity. Bolton’s cases were going down until a bloke came back from holiday and decided to go on a pub crawl while awaiting his covid test result for his symptoms.

Rule breaking.

A local culture of low adherence to the rules combined with a super spreading rule breaker.

If your local residents Facebook page has plenty of covid denying, rule resisting posts about "muzzles" 5G and (sic) "Marshall law" then your area is equally at risk.

London- we were dropping like flies March/early April although no tests unless hospitalised. Herd immunity estimated 17% so double rest of uk.

@ChavvySexPond

Rule breaking.

A local culture of low adherence to the rules combined with a super spreading rule breaker.

If your local residents Facebook page has plenty of covid denying, rule resisting posts about "muzzles" 5G and (sic) "Marshall law" then your area is equally at risk.

Jolly decent of them to advertise themselves so clearly 🤭

It hasn't.

You need to watch and read the news.

London's on the brink of further restrictions because of increasing cases.

It was overlooked for a while because of the confusing decision to report London's cases from individual boroughs, which made London's cases look lower than they really were. Of course London is a very interlinked city - which is why any London lockdown will be city-wide.

Thanks, I do you think it is due to rule breaking as well? I thought that at this point in time, we'd have a good idea of the reasons why some areas have much lower infection rates and apply it to the areas that are struggling. I appreciate that this is a very simplistic way of thinking...

I don' think it has, it has been hit harder, later. London was hit hard early.

I think multi generational living and larger households is affecting a lot of areas now.

I read that a lot of city centre workers in London are working from home now, more so than in other areas as well.

People talking about herd immunity, we know that you can now get it more than once, so how does that fit with the notion of herd immunity?

Last time it started south and moved north. There’s evidence that in the most deprived areas of the north the virus never went away and became endemic therefore as things have opened up cases have increased quickly. I have no doubt the increase will move south as it did moving north before unless serious changes are made. It’s frustrating that people in low risk areas are moaning about further restrictions to them and it not being fair when we in the north went into lockdown when the impact was far more on the south then but we understood how the spread was happening. Communities can’t block themselves off so if rates are skyrocketing anywhere it will spread around.

Lockdown happened too soon in the north and ended too soon. Basically the timings were all London centric because, as usual, they forget that the north exists.

I disagree that the lockdown started too early here but it ended too soon because London is the centre of the world.

A combination of high density population, many multigenerational houses, more working class less affluent areas possibly less people self isolating if they cant afford to take time off work.

London's cases are increasing, but they wont put the restrictions in. They are higher than locked down regions.
But because its London they dont want it locked down.
Due to the increase it's looking like London will soon get local restrictions soon.

It's the whole perfect storm thing isn't it.....multiple factors combining to have an effect which is greater than the sum of the parts

Northerners are not more rulebreaking, that's a slur.

Maybe started too soon isn't fair, but it only started when it was appropriate for London.

They unlocked when London was ok. Should have unlocked two weeks later.

Personally I wonder if larger houses in “the North” has encouraged a lot more socialisation at home with friends/family. Whereas in London more socialisation May take Place outside of the home due to smaller living spaces (generalising a lot here!) and more spread out population so meeting somewhere halfway between friends. I think people are much more likely to spend longer together in the home, and more likely to forget social distancing measures etc. When not in the “glare of the public”. People are generally sd-ing from strangers well, but it seems to be when people meet friends/families that this goes to pot.

Because of idiots sharing crap like this on the local fb page. I despair at how many people in the comments agree

@tearstainedbakes

People talking about herd immunity, we know that you can now get it more than once, so how does that fit with the notion of herd immunity?

There is little evidence of this. The very tiny few people who have been hypothesised to have had it again did not have any symptoms from the ones reported, not that I've read anyway. So the very few people who got 'reinfected' didn't get any symptoms and there is obviously no information on whether they were infective.

"Personally I wonder if larger houses in “the North” has encouraged a lot more socialisation at home with friends/family. Whereas in London more socialisation May take Place outside of the home due to smaller living spaces (generalising a lot here!)"

😂 you do realise that England isn't split into 2 areas called "London" and "The North"

I can only speak for Bolton ( I live here) but it's definitely rule breaking ,people not taking it seriously ,as I have reapetedly said on these thread ,just read the comments section on the Bolton news,on the many articles about COVID,and it will give you an idea of the mindset.

I suspect there’s more extended families that live together and work together ‘up north’
Plus an irresponsible fb group And a superspreader