It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

To the suppressors : Why are you insistent on forever suppressing this in the hope of a vaccine when there has never been a successful one created to date for a Coronavirus?

Is this the very definition of false hope?

Also, as the BBC pointed out this morning:

‘You are then reliant on getting enough younger people vaccinated to create herd immunity. Will they do this for a vaccine that has been produced so quickly to protect them against a virus that is unlikely to cause complications?’

@Derbygerbil now, now. Don't expect @Ecosse to be consistent with her/his application of statistics. It's not possible, you know.

To the suppressors : Why are you insistent on forever suppressing this in the hope of a vaccine when there has never been a successful one created to date for a Coronavirus?

If you mean why has no-one ever been able to create a vaccine for the common cold, I think you will find this is probably mostly because no-one is going to invest in such a thing because it would make no money. No country would ever have a vaccination programme for the common cold in the way thay they do for other diseases.

I agree we can't pin our hopes on a vaccine, though.

@eufycurious

No, I mean any Coronavirus, Common colds, SARS, MERS etc.

@eufycurious

To the suppressors : Why are you insistent on forever suppressing this in the hope of a vaccine when there has never been a successful one created to date for a Coronavirus?

If you mean why has no-one ever been able to create a vaccine for the common cold, I think you will find this is probably mostly because no-one is going to invest in such a thing because it would make no money. No country would ever have a vaccination programme for the common cold in the way thay they do for other diseases.

That and the ‘common’ cold is caused by approximately 200 different viruses (courtesy of a quick google) only a few of which are corona viruses. There are corona virus vaccines in common is but they’re veterinary and were only developed because their symptoms caused a financial impact (infertility in chickens was one off the top of my head).

It isn’t just a vaccine we need time for but treatments. There have already been better treatment pathways and medication identified as we learn more. That’s what we’re trying to delay the spread for, along with not overwhelming services.

[quote MummyPop00]@eufycurious

No, I mean any Coronavirus, Common colds, SARS, MERS etc.[/quote]
Very similar to the reasons I mentioned - in part lack of commercial viability.

"Reasons for the lack of commercial and effective vaccines for SARS and MERS are varied. In the case of MERS, it is likely that the vaccine development was delayed because of the scarcity of suitable and cost-effective small animal models during pre-clinical experimentation. In addition, it is probable that a vaccine has not been delivered because of the low interest in investing in a vaccine for a disease that has produced relatively low and geographically centralized cases (compared with other more global and persistent infectious diseases such as influenza, HIV and tuberculosis). This last factor might have also contributed to the lack of a vaccine for SARS, in the sense that it was considered pointless to continue investing in a vaccine for a disease whose cases ceased to be reported in 2004"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177048/

[quote MummyPop00]@eufycurious

No, I mean any Coronavirus, Common colds, SARS, MERS etc.[/quote]
SARS and MERS burnt themselves out too quickly to attract much investment. The Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine is a modified MERS vaccine that was being developed. The speed at which that trial is moving is due to not having to attract investment and find enough participants to test the efficacy.

Yes I agree the treatment option is more likely.

However, we have to be realistic here. There are no guarantees a really effective treatment is on the near horizon.

Therefore, there is a time limit & the economic situation dictates that time limit won’t be too generous. If treatment takes as long as HIV/AIDS did for example, I think that would be an unrealistic length of time to be waiting.

So @MummyPop00, what do you think we should do? I mean that in all seriousness. We can't simply throw millions of older and vulnerable people under the bus.

But that is what @MummyPop00 thinks we should do

Well that decision will become unavoidably apparent in time won’t it but as things stand this virus hasn’t even had a name for a full year yet, bit early to throw in the towel and leave it up to fate isn’t it? And that’s another point, it won’t just be left to fate because people will keep seeking medical treatment which is never going to be withheld on mass. There will be demand.

One of the differences between this pandemic and historical ones (I’m thinking the 1918 flu) is that people don’t just stay at home and quietly suffer, there are healthcare systems in place in every developed country that simply don’t have the capacity to deal with large influxes of people seeking respiratory relief. Don’t forget healthcare as a public provision is a relatively new concept. The NHS is just over 70 years old, before that people only got what they could pay for or what they received from charity - usually churches in this country.

@MummyPop00

To the suppressors : Why are you insistent on forever suppressing this in the hope of a vaccine when there has never been a successful one created to date for a Coronavirus?

Is this the very definition of false hope?

Also, as the BBC pointed out this morning:

‘You are then reliant on getting enough younger people vaccinated to create herd immunity. Will they do this for a vaccine that has been produced so quickly to protect them against a virus that is unlikely to cause complications?’

I'm wondering the opposite to your question; Why are so many people who don't see the need to keep restrictions in place so disbelieving that a successful vaccine will be produced?

China has already vaccinated hundreds of thousands of healthcare workers. They are close to starting a program to vaccinate their general population. They are in the process of providing multi billion £ loans to countries to buy their vaccines. The US and UK scientists are hopeful that by next spring vaccination will be up and running.

Also why do you say we are relying on young people to take up the vaccine as if they are somehow sacrificing themselves? Vulnerable, elderly, healthcare and key workers will be the first to take it up. We vaccinate babies and children against numerous diseases so why wouldn't we do the same for this one?

The irony surrounding modern healthcare & the NHS is this, since 1948, life expectancy has increased by 13 years.

However, those who are now living longer are also the most vulnerable to this virus.

Nature reverting the situation to type?

To be fair @MummyPop00 if you want to go down the road of allowing nature to take it’s course you need to put your money where your mouth is instead of expecting others to leap off that particular cliff.

@Cornettoninja

I’ve already had it, so I did

[quote MummyPop00]@Cornettoninja

I’ve already had it, so I did [/quote]
How long did it take to recover?

Well done you, but would you forgo any and all healthcare to allow nature to take its course?

I’m not a fan of the slippery slope argument but to take your line of thinking to it’s logical conclusion we’re expending a lot of time and money on an awful lot of health problems if we just let nature take it’s course. All those pesky diabetics, asthmatics and epileptics would be self-resolving problems. Cancer would be a huge saving.

If we’re really on natures side here then transport, sanitation and food needs to stop.

What I’m really trying to establish is do you actually give a fuck about the ‘natural course’ of things or are you under the impression that you exist in isolation and if it doesn’t impact you personally it doesn’t matter?

I caught it at the very end of March, and in total probably about 4 months experiencing symptoms to some degree although these diminished over that time. The acute phase was roughly the 2 weeks as is widely reported.

I’m 48 with an underlying health condition btw

So is that why you are happy for other people to die @MummyPop00 because you don’t think you are at risk anymore. So you can carry on as normal and don’t care about anyone else especially the elderly

@MummyPop00

I caught it at the very end of March, and in total probably about 4 months experiencing symptoms to some degree although these diminished over that time. The acute phase was roughly the 2 weeks as is widely reported.

I’m 48 with an underlying health condition btw

Did you get a test btw if you don't mind me asking?

@ineedaholidaynow

It’s called accepting the inevitable.

I understand that human conditioning means you (and most) struggle to come to terms with that, but I don’t & furthermore, I’ve walked the walk.

I am quite mystified MummyPop00. So you know from personal experience how serious this virus is and how it can disrupt lives, yet you seem to be OK with letting it run riot. Multiply your experience by tens/humdreds of thousands and we have serious economic and other problems (people off work so shortages of staff fro essential services, people not going out and spending money etc) as well as an over run NHS.

@mrshoho

No couldn’t get a test in March as the system was even more overrun than it is now!

Paid for an BUPA antibody test a month ago to formally confirm, even though I knew what it was, couldn’t have been anything else really, time caught + lungs affected = Covid!

[quote MummyPop00]@mrshoho

No couldn’t get a test in March as the system was even more overrun than it is now!

Paid for an BUPA antibody test a month ago to formally confirm, even though I knew what it was, couldn’t have been anything else really, time caught + lungs affected = Covid![/quote]
Interesting. So your body has produced antibodies to fight the infection and still in your system 6 months later. I'm glad you trust the science enough to get a test. Would you not agree this bodes well for a future vaccine?