It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

@Malteserdiet

At the end of the day, it’s a virus. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of viruses in existence that have the potential to prove fatal to any human being, vulnerable, elderly or not. Previously we have lived alongside these viruses with an awareness of their symptoms and how we might avoid them or seek treatment where required. We have also sought to protect the vulnerable, where necessary, as I can recall many occasions in my childhood where my siblings or I had chicken pox for example and my parents immediately made sure that the parents of a child with leukaemia in our primary school were made aware and we were kept away from elderly grandparents and anyone pregnant. Previously we have been trusted by the ‘powers that be’ to make our own decisions on risk and live our lives, whilst still looking out for the well-being of others. Why not now? What is actually that different to any other virus that exists? The flu season is dreaded so much because it affects so many vulnerable people and ends up spreading around overflowing hospital wards, covid 19 is not different in this respect, yet the world still runs during flu season and cancer patients are still seen and treated and people can still see their gp face to face or have dental treatment. The reaction to this virus was understandable at the beginning when it was new and scenes from Italy and China scared the hell out of everyone, but now it is time to get life back to normal and live with this virus just like we live with all the other ones.

The problem is that people now seem to be exceptionally selfish and can't be relied on to 'do the right thing' for anyone outside their own family unit

Let's look at the chicken pox example, I've been on mumsnet a long time and have seen many threads where people's kids have chicken pox and they are proposing still taking them on holiday. Fuck any pregnant women, elderly people, or immunosuppressed people they will come into contact with on the plane or in the hotel (that's their problem, if they don't want to get sick they shouldn't be travelling) as long as they get their holiday.

@hopsalong
Would it work? Not everyone in the right age range without health problems would have to volunteer, but admittedly most of us would to get to the 50% infected rate now widely seen as achieving herd immunity,

Pls do your maths. All population - everyone below 20(?) - everyone above 40(?) - anyone with an illness.... Are you sure there is actually 50% of the population left?
ONS data (www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections/datasets/tablea21principalprojectionukpopulationinagegroups)

67m - 15,5m - 33m= 19m And that's not counting any disabilities morbidities.
If we raise the bar to 50 we add 8.5m, bringing the total to 28m.
That is still less than 50% AND I didn't factor in:

• morbidities
• not volunteering

This is elementary maths and simple logic. Why is it so hard????

IHT changes for everyone or just your loathed groups of people?

[quote MummyPop00]@TheSunIsStillShining

I’ve decided on IHT instead.

What’s your alternative?[/quote]

1. Great that you decided something, but what's IHT?

1. I am not an economist and I am not going to conjure up some idiotic theory because an actual idiot "challenges" me to do so.

@gypsywater

No, it’d be across the board. The problem is we have a glut of Boomers & not enough taxpayers for the foreseeable & Covid has not helped the situation one bit. So when the balance is more balanced, maybe the tax would/could be reduced once more if so desired.

@CrunchyCarrot

That's all well and good OP but what happens when there are too many Covid cases for hospitals, and regular surgeries have to be postponed? People off sick and schools affected because of it? More people having long term Covid symptoms?

This

I'm glad you've pulled back on the discrimination at least

Why is it ok to discriminate against older generations? Have you got issues in your own family @MummyPop00?

Not really, I’m still discriminating against the older generations. Their fault though that the birth rate dropped though innit?

pure gold

I imagine you are still discriminating against BAME and the disabled tbh but dont want to show yourself up too much eh.

Fancy the " wanting to be kept alive". ? ? 😁

I almost don't want this IKEA queue I'm in to move faster.

I’m off now, been on here too long this morning. Toodles

So you want to kill them off or ask them to commit suicide as it is wrong they are living too long? Are you waiting for some inheritance and are pissed off they are not dead yet?

Toodling off to Nazi Germany I think

@gypsywater

You won’t be sneering if Income Tax/VAT starts rocketing instead on the back of an economic depression though will you I take it?

There is a film, Running Man, from the 70s (I think) with Micheal York that has this theme. Although they sacrifice themselves at a much lower age.
This is quite a common dystopian theme and people have been toying with the idea of how society/economy would do if populations were under control.

Quite a few families rely on grandparents to provide childcare, what will happen if they kill their childcare option?

I'm sad, but not entirely surprised, that there are people thinking like you at this stage.

Newsflash, it's not only the vulnerable that are at risk. It's people who have conditions that would otherwise allow them to live decades, and healthy people who get long term complications.
It's the health systems that risk getting flooded and not able to respond anywhere near properly to other conditions.
It's the risk of having a significant percentage of health workers, and other essential workers ill at home at the same time.

Life for now cannot possibly be the same as pre-lockdown.

There is a film, Running Man, from the 70s (I think) with Micheal York that has this theme. Although they sacrifice themselves at a much lower age.

Do you mean logan's run?

@Mischance

madcow88 - people are not being rude - they are putting you right.

Because we all have no prior experience of a pandemic and are pissed off with the rules and regulations, it is tempting to just throw one's hands up and assume it is all nonsense. But sadly it is not.

What we do however know from history is that pandemics unchecked kill many many people. What we are now trying to do is to prevent that. There is a cost (financial, economy, other illnesses missing out) to that preventative work; but the balance of merit is clear.

The government made a total balls-up of the whole thing by not locking down as soon as the virus hit Europe - we are an island and it could have been done very easily. Instead they are left cobbling together an attempt to hold back the tide that they allowed to flow.

I am in a medically vulnerable group and I thank all those who are enduring inconvenience on my behalf and on behalf of many millions of others.

OP - would you feel qualified to pass an opinion on how a space rocket was programmed; or on how a brain surgeon was conducting an operation?

I merely shared my opinion so I could get others perspective. As I said In my OP I have adhered to all of the regulations, however I stand by my opinion and how I feel. So there is no need to abuse me and be rude, I am not putting anyone at risk and I am currently in week 2 of isolation with my child as their bubble burst at school. We haven't been anywhere!!

And in response to your post I would comment on a brain surgeons operation as I have had 29 operations on my brain in the past couple of years and in the past I have had to step in and advise when they have made mistakes and they have several times. I was also in hospital for a month at the height of the pandemic and those very neurosurgeons who work heavily in ICU told me that it was a load of panic over nothing. Several of them said they were never overwhelmed and not even close to being and they were frustrated that their specialised nurses had been posted else where and this led to them struggling to support people like myself who require a direct access to the surgeons. They were not concerned about a second wave anymore than they were of the flu season. I trust their experiences comments over the comments of a bunch of rude strangers on MN.

I don't know how you all have the cheek to speak to others who do not share your opinion in the way you do!! You all really need to get a life.

I'm suspicious of the government suddenly caring about disabled people and trying to scare people by using CF

@Ponoka7, if by CF you mean CFS (many people with a CFS diagnosis meet ME criteria but not all) the government are not mentioning it but longcovid groups have been organised and this time, unlike with ME, medical authorities seem to be listening. Only to an extent as NHS CoVid recovery info still pushing graded exercise which is inappropriate if the post exertional malaise that people with longcovid are reporting does turn out to be the same process that causes pem in ME.

I don't know how you all have the cheek to speak to others who do not share your opinion in the way you do!! You all really need to get a life.

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