It's just an overreaction.

[madcow88]

Now don't get me wrong I followed the rules to the letter and still am doing as I don't want to break the law.

However I think it's all a massive overreaction and I don't want to sit by and allow my children's generation to be destroyed.

Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people. Whilst 1000s of people are dying every day due to the lack of treatment and social interactions.

I really just do not feel comfortable with all the laws on our freedom being changed so dramatically over a virus if truth be told is not as deadly as they would like us to be believed.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for those people who lost their lives and for the people who will lose their lives in the future but no more than for the people who die of flu and other viruses each year.

My sister is a Yr1 teacher and said 70% of her class have forgotten everything they learnt in year one and have had to start again.

I wish they could find a way to solve this. Maybe herd immunity in younger people would have solved it to a degree. The number of deaths in people under 40 with no serious health conditions is tiny. The problem is so many of them still live at home with parents.

@sunglassesonthetable

*the dementor covid bed wetters will shout and shout and call you a murderer as they have no perspective and can’t assess risk properly. * 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ "murder" nope haven't seen that one?

😂 "dementor covid bed wetter" - well your'e just lovely

People die - ALL THE TIME. Humans are not immortal- the Mumsnet dementors seem to overlook this fact

Asthmatics, diabetics, people on warfarin, the over 70s, compromised immune systems, long term HIV sufferers, BAME population etc etc Nope they don't die " all the time". You're wrong about that. 🤦‍♀️

the first one didn’t eradicate covid) then the government
wasn't trying to👍🏻

the government is merely substituting covid deaths with deaths from cancer and suicide etc etc.🤷🏼‍♀️

Any stats for that? No didn't think so. 😘

You clearly haven’t been on Mumsnet long enough if you’ve not seen the Covid dementors calling people murderers. 🙄

And of course people die all the time- what a ridiculous factual statement to take issue with!
Do you believe the earth is flat too?

And the policy of certain governments was to eradicate Covid- ever heard of Devi Sridhar and Nicola Sturgeon- If you bother to get off your self righteous platform and do some research, I think you’ll find it was their stated aim (Don’t known what the fuck BJ’s aim is and I suspect neither does he)....

And, finally, if you chose to read round the issue of deaths from Covid (or rather,
WITH COVID) VS AS A RESULT OF THE LOCKDOWN AND GOVERNMENT INTERVENTIONS, and get your info from a source other than the Daily Mail or whatever rag you profess to read, you’ll find this to be a likely outcome. Try Prof Sikora for a start.

You’re welcome ❤️

Learnt in Reception

Honestly don’t understand the OP’s attitude at all. More than 40,000 dead and where are the silences for them? More than 12x the number dead from the twin towers (which people around the world grieved, and which spurred on a war). Where is the outrage at the elderly left to die in care homes?
The lack of empathy for others screams entitlement, the ‘I’m alright Jack’ so let’s just pretend everything is normal brigade. When will people see what it could be like? Should the government just not bother with any measures and fill up the hospitals and overflow hospitals that were built? Do we need to go back to where things were in April with undertakers running out of body bags?
The NHS would not cope if we ignored it all. They have flu season upon them, are currently still performing surgeries and starting to get more Covid coming in. If we hadn’t locked down they would have been overwhelmed with Covid all at once and people wouldn’t have been getting their normal treatment or operations either.

Also, these nonsense figures of 0.01 percent is just not based on evidence at all. They also don’t consider all of the people who become seriously ill and suffer long term effects other than death.

Instead of being happy that we’ve avoided tens of thousands of more deaths by having a lockdown we have people thinking it’s all a big over-reaction. Do you honestly think this government (with a reputation only for making the rich richer and increasing poverty) would have paid for furloughs and risked the economy if they could have gotten away with doing nothing? The right response to a pandemic will always seem like an over-reaction.

Yes we need to get on with our lives- that’s what many of us have been doing all along. Going to work regardless, making the most of what we can do! Shops are open, schools are open and so are restaurants and pubs for now. Enjoy it whilst we can instead of wasting energy on negativity!

[quote Ecosse]@RepeatSwan

Exponential growth is not possible in this context- by this argument, eventually you’d have more deaths than there are people in the U.K.!

Clearly deaths will peak at some point- imo we will not see anything like the number of deaths we say in May given that we have protective measures in place, better treatments and the unfortunate fact that many of the very vulnerable have already succumbed to the virus.[/quote]
yes obviously it stops once everyone has died

But seriously, we got to 1000 deaths per day before, it can happen again.

"Exponential growth is not possible in this context- by this argument, eventually you’d have more deaths than there are people in the U.K."

of course exponential growth is possible; it's happening right now. Technically if the number of cases doubled every month (or every six months even) that is still exponential growth. Of course they are doubling much faster than that at the moment.

Obviously this cannot continue indefinetely but that doesn't mean it can't happen at all.

BEWARE, FACTS AHEAD
Their education is totally fucked, they will not get to have the same social experiences as we did as young people.

1. Kids are in school for 10-12 years of their life. One year won't fuck them up (as a generation. On a person level maybe).
2. They already have a very different social experience than we did (without knowing how old you are). In the 80s, when I was a kid, we would disappear for a whole day on our bikes and had to come home for dinner. Our parents had no idea where we were, what we did. There was no internet,...etc

Why is everyone happily sitting by and allowing our government to restrict our lives over a virus that kills 0.01% of people.

ATM it has killed 0.09% of the UK population.

It's not the laws on our freedom being changed just because. It is infection control measures that are being done. There is a huge difference, which you don't seem to grasp.

Deadliness: as per current stats out of the 385k people who have tested positive 41k died. That is almost 11%!!!!

I don't want to let my child's health be ruined by a fucking virus that we know little about and so far is very likely to cause long term consequences.

The funny thing is that most people will fight for their kid's rights, for their education, but they don't seem to give a shit about their health or potential threat to it.

In the past half year scientists have made huge leaps forward. We now have better treatment, we know a lot about the virus, how it acts and what reactions are likely. It sounds reasonable to give them some time to actually figure it out and until then stop fucking panicking on one hand and on the other hand stop throwing tantrums.

+1: dying from lack of social interactions: could you please elaborate? This might be the stupidest thing I've read since Trump's exploding trees in Austria a few days ago.....

+2: there is a need to be PHYSICALLY distancing. No one is stopping you from having a chat with your friends. It's not the same over web/phone, but it can be a meaningful social interaction

You clearly haven’t been on Mumsnet long enough if you’ve not seen the Covid dementors calling people murderers. 🙄

No one is calling anyone a murderer on this thread. It's irrelevant how long I've been on MN .

And of course people die all the time- what a ridiculous factual statement to take issue with!
Do you believe the earth is flat too?

Using the trope " people die all the time" as an acceptable reason for people to die when it is preventable is totally disingenuous. You seemed to have missed the point with this one.

And the policy of certain governments was to eradicate Covid- ever heard of Devi Sridhar and Nicola Sturgeon- If you bother to get off your self righteous platform and do some research, I think you’ll find it was their stated aim (Don’t known what the fuck BJ’s aim is and I suspect neither does he)....

Flatten the curve so the NHS was not overwhelmed.
Lockdown will never eradicate Covid. Vaccines would be needed for that.
TBh you sound very self righteous.

And, finally, if you chose to read round the issue of And, finally, if you chose to read round the issue of deaths from Covid (or rather,
WITH COVID) VS AS A RESULT OF THE LOCKDOWN AND GOVERNMENT INTERVENTIONS, and get your info from a source other than the Daily Mail or whatever rag you profess to read, you’ll find this to be a likely outcome. Try Prof Sikora for a start.

Daily Mail - no thanks twinkle.

And not keen on taking any "research advice" from someone who comes across like you.
Rolling out cliche after cliche.

This would be the same Dr Sikora who was sanctioned in 2009 over false claims about his qualifications? The same Dr Sikora whose videos and relentless self promotion and conspiracy theorising has been refuted totally by almost all scientific organisations in the western world? The one topping the infamous "Mad Scientists" league table? And the one often mentioned by farrightwatch?

Or is it another more reputable one?

@TheSeedsOfADream

I had the feeling it would be like that.

Karol Sikora

www.farrightwatch.net/2020/06/the-right-wings-favourite-crazy.html

Thus is of course written to promote an agenda, but the bones of the account are accurate

He is worth listening to on cancer.

I'm sure he may be.
Boris was excellent on Who do you think you are.
People really should stick to their area of expertise shouldn't they?

Some excellent news being reported by The Independent this evening- the government is going to bring in thousands of nurses from overseas to staff the Nightingale hospitals.

6500 are already on the order book, with seemingly more to come. We now need to run NHS capacity hot and make sure every single bed is being used to treat patients before we even thing about lockdown restrictions.

twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1307418980173467649

We now need to run NHS capacity hot and make sure every single bed is being used to treat patients before we even thing about lockdown restrictions.

But how would that work? We learned from March that when virus cases are increasing in the community, even if you lock down absolutely everything your hospital admissions will still increase for a while after, as new ill people get iller and filter through. If you wait until every single bed is filled first before shutting anything, where are those people going to go?

@GoldenOmber

We had Nightingale hospitals that cost hundreds of millions sitting empty during the first wave not treating a single patient.

There is still plenty of NHS capacity left and it should remain that way if we re-introduce shielding.

The nurses from overseas will give us the overflow capacity to ensure that we can get through this second wave without the need for a full shutdown of the economy.

That’s not actually answered the question I asked though.

"without the need for a full shutdown of the economy."

We never had a full shutdown of the economy. Stop scaremongering.

@HarrietOh

How do you advise the NHS run as they did pre-COVID when the hospitals are over run?

Exactly! OP a completely selfish attitude. What will you do if you or yours gets ill and are turned away from hospital.

Completely agree. I’m glad more people are saying this.

Why isn’t it discussed more? I know of severe mental health issues, delayed cancer diagnoses and numerous other issues all allowed to happen.

It’s an outrage

@frozendaisy

Our children will bounce back, yes they might have to do a retake year, their social experiences are stunted for a year or so, but when they are 40 it really will not matter. They will swap Covid-19 stories, there will be songs, films, comedy all inspired by lockdown.

It's our job as parents to let them know it will be ok. Retake a year, so what? Bit late to learn to drive, go university next year, I never went to prom did you?

Every now and again whole populations have to have freedoms curved, and it's worldwide, have a read of what is happening in India, so we are all watching a bit too much Netflix, it could be a lot worse.

And I get it we have had many a "crest-fallen" moment with our children, still are having them, and our parental instinct is to try and solve their sadness, but we can't.

I hope the younger generation work towards a very different, progressive, problem-solving, fairer society. With imaginative architecture that makes homes healthier environments.

This could be the reset this planet and population needs. Our freedoms will return and we will all cherish them all the more when they do.

This, completely....

6500 are already on the order book, with seemingly more to come. We now need to run NHS capacity hot and make sure every single bed is being used to treat patients before we even thing about lockdown restrictions.

I also would be very loathed to return to a lockdown, but running beds to capacity before you think about would be a recipe for disaster. A lockdown isn’t an immediate “off switch” that shut down demand. If you waited that long you’d be facing disaster.

Besides, if we let things get really bad simply because we had enough beds, people would vote why their feet, and shops, restaurants etc would be worse off than they are now.

@Namechange313

But at least we could have some sort of an economy/education system/social life if we stopped this nonsense now.

How would “stopping this nonsense now” and acting as though Covid didn’t exist help the economy or education? How will it help me see my elderly parents? How will it help cancer or other non-Covid treatment? Because an unmitigated Covid surge will exactly do the opposite! How could anyone think that a cancer treatment would be more likely to occur in the circumstances? How could anyone think more people will go to restaurants when cases are back at March levels? How could anyone think education will benefit from a massive increase in Covid infections?

The notion that we can forget about Covid, and it will reciprocate and forget about us, is deluded.

The interesting thing about Sweden is that they have a public-spirited community-conscious population. People do what is needed to keep their community safe.

Unlike here it would seem from this thread.

I

I have deja vu:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3831768-AIBU-to-think-people-are-overreacting-to-Coronavirus?pg=1