"It is, alas, a fact of the disease that it is readily transmissible between children and adults"

[noblegiraffe]

Says our PM.

So can all those people who spent the entire summer telling teachers that their worries about returning to school without any mitigation measures that it was FINE because children didn't spread it please now start campaigning for mitigation measures in schools because it appears that people's lives are being put at risk.

twitter.com/mikercameron/status/1306246353379569665?s=21

You are really working hard to blame schools for something.

Do you disagree that schools closing has been terrible for women?

It is literally irrelevant to the OP.

A hokey cokey of constant bubble popping and closures will, in my opinion, be even worse.

@Namechanger45627

Did people actually believe that children don’t transmit it?!

In the same way that they clearly don’t transmit other viruses just as easily as any other person Norovirus last year must have been a figment of our imaginations...

I can't understand why anyone has ever thought it

Well, duh. No shit Sherlock.

@notevenat20

You are really working hard to blame schools for something.

Do you disagree that schools closing has been terrible for women?

The point is the schools closing wasn't schools fault.

The government closed them and then refused to work with unions and HT to get them open again safely.

To open SD in smaller classes you don't need teachers, you need TAs. That's what DD's school did in summer and opened with best practice (small class sizes, SD) for 4 weeks - guess what - no illnesses the whole time.

Whole school back.

Although DD was mostly with a TA, she learned more than with a teacher in a class of 30 - lots more individual attention. The teacher supervised and set work. TA delivered it. She loved it. She felt safe. She learned like mad

This shit show has her in tears.

By the way both TAs and teachers in DDs school have been absolute heroes throughout.

@notevenat20
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Do you disagree that schools closing has been terrible for women?*

It depends on the woman. I was quite pleased when they closed as I was so worried about the 100k + daily new cases. It was the right thing to do in a pandemic.

If the government had worked constructively with teachers, it might have been possible to re-open them earlier. However, the government appears to have been more concerned with posturing and grand statements than with putting its money where its mouth is and listening to teachers about what is safe.

And in this respect it is going to reap what it has sown. Sadly for all of us.

The government closed them and then refused to work with unions and HT to get them open again safely.

In concrete terms , what proposal for earlier full time in person reopening would the unions have agreed to?

Do you disagree that schools closing has been terrible for women?

I think closure of schools and other childcare settings has been terrible for women.

Realistically very few people can get well paid work that can be carried out just within school hours and term time.

Its a bit of a tangent and nothing to do with OP, but I think focusing on on schools hides the extent of the childcare problem.

I think the OP is just asking the government to confront the reality of the situation. He should have spent less time waffling about proms and statues and being ‘world beating’ and more time ensuring that there is a functional test and trace system and that schools have adequate resources.

I think we need more data for school settings specifically.

Why? Is there something magically different about the air in schools?

It is germ ridden! 😅

Do they actually do need ‘data’? Everyone knows that infections spread like wildfire in schools.

Children don’t practice particularly good hygiene. They touch everything and if break times here are anything to go by, they can’t leave each other alone for one minute.

Some students come into the classroom rubbing their hands together & pretend they have sanitised with their own bottle rather than using the dispenser inside the door.
I ask them to show me their Hand san bottle. They haven’t got one.
They ‘fake sanitise’ !

@notevenat20

You are really working hard to blame schools for something.

Do you disagree that schools closing has been terrible for women?

Why do you insist on trying to blame schools and unions (in your later post)?

Schools (like businesses) where closed by the government, Schools stayed open and opened up to more pupils under the guidance of the government.

As for what would the "unions have agreed to", it is a null point as the government refused to invest any money (or interest) in reopening schools.

@Lolaloveslemons

I think we need more data for school settings specifically.

Why? Is there something magically different about the air in schools?

It is germ ridden! 😅

Do they actually do need ‘data’? Everyone knows that infections spread like wildfire in schools.

Children don’t practice particularly good hygiene. They touch everything and if break times here are anything to go by, they can’t leave each other alone for one minute.

Some students come into the classroom rubbing their hands together & pretend they have sanitised with their own bottle rather than using the dispenser inside the door.
I ask them to show me their Hand san bottle. They haven’t got one.
They ‘fake sanitise’ !

You can just throw everyone in and not take note of any information it’s true. I suppose it’s easier.

Although I’ve visited a few nurseries lately and one in particular had so many children close together with staff doing their usual nursery age stuff. And had been fir a while. That that nursery hadn’t closed, and many others, might make people want to think about why.

I’ve seen many posts saying people don’t want information though, so maybe just do it and see what comes out the other side.

@IloveJKRowling

To open SD in smaller classes you don't need teachers, you need TAs. That's what DD's school did in summer and opened with best practice (small class sizes, SD) for 4 weeks - guess what - no illnesses the whole time.

Whole school back.

Although DD was mostly with a TA, she learned more than with a teacher in a class of 30 - lots more individual attention. The teacher supervised and set work. TA delivered it. She loved it. She felt safe. She learned like mad

This shit show has her in tears.

That’s a shame. Why is she in tears? What age is she?

Marsha

They don’t want true data because it will be condemning evidence that schools are not ‘safe’ places to be.

@Lolaloveslemons

Marsha

They don’t want true data because it will be condemning evidence that schools are not ‘safe’ places to be.

I thought some people on here didn’t. I have found it useful what very little there is.

Imperial are studying schools now, but it’s just late

Although starting earlier wouldn’t have helped much - what we learnt from June had different variables

Marsha I have found it useful what very little there is.

The data gathered between March and September? When hardly any students were in school??

@Lolaloveslemons

Marsha I have found it useful what very little there is.

The data gathered between March and September? When hardly any students were in school??

Yep. Check out Israel report. Comparable number of students. And a couple of other meta studies on schools worldwide.

It’s not conclusive, no where near of course, but interesting if you want to read that kind of thing.

Why do you insist on trying to blame schools and unions (in your later post)?

I have lost track of what I am meant to be blaming them for!

@notevenat20

Why do you insist on trying to blame schools and unions (in your later post)?

I have lost track of what I am meant to be blaming them for!

Possibly because you are trying to blame them for so much.

You could re read your posts, It might help.

@MarshaBradyo Thank you for asking.

Because she went back in a small class, socially distanced in June / July for 4 weeks and no children were ill. She can see that there is no social distancing now and it is stressful because she also knows rates are going up. 7 kids were off school with illness the last day she was in - apparently all the other kids were discussing whether any of them had coronavirus.

Because there have been coronavirus cases in other local schools.

Because she asked me why there were so many extra safety measures in June/July and not now.

Because she's just had a week off and been unable to leave the house because her sister got ill, we couldn't get a test for 4 days, and still haven't got the result.

She's missed all that school, and she's missed her friends. She's had no work to do at home.

Because she knows that this is the start of how it's going to be (her sister is little and gets a fever with everything - I may have to choose between older DD being in school and little DD not at some point if test and trace remains this crap)

Because she's scared that she'll catch coronavirus in her incredibly crowded classroom and give it to her parents and we'll die (she's never actually said this but I know it's what she's thinking - a friend's Mum just died and she was the same age as me).

[quote noblegiraffe]Says our PM.

So can all those people who spent the entire summer telling teachers that their worries about returning to school without any mitigation measures that it was FINE because children didn't spread it please now start campaigning for mitigation measures in schools because it appears that people's lives are being put at risk.

twitter.com/mikercameron/status/1306246353379569665?s=21[/quote]
Blimey, want to put a comma somewhere in that first sentence? I ran out of breath half way through - thought i might need to book a Covid test

JK ah that’s hard, poor thing. My primary age dc had no school last term so nothing to compare with. But I know they’d be fed up if school shut again as they’re v happy to be back.