"It is, alas, a fact of the disease that it is readily transmissible between children and adults"

[noblegiraffe]

Says our PM.

So can all those people who spent the entire summer telling teachers that their worries about returning to school without any mitigation measures that it was FINE because children didn't spread it please now start campaigning for mitigation measures in schools because it appears that people's lives are being put at risk.

twitter.com/mikercameron/status/1306246353379569665?s=21

As another Twitter poster says:

Kids don’t transmit it so they can be packed in classes. Kids do transmit it so they’re included in rule of 6.
Asymptomatic transmission is rife, so keep distanced even if healthy. Why are all you primary contacts without symptoms wanting tests?

The other thing about the lack of mitigation in schools is that that mindset seeps out.

DD1 says all her friends were SD religiously when in SD school in June, now they're all hugging because 'we're sitting right next to each other anyway'.

Apparently the teachers have changed what they say from 'you must socially distance' to 'social distance where possible'. So, knowing kids, how does that go? Then out of school they're playing together because they're in school together non SD - so why not?

I really want to reduce risk but how on earth is 8 people socially distanced in a park a greater risk than each of those 8 having their kids crammed into a classroom with 30 others? It's not. Anyone can see that. Good luck enforcing the rule of 6.

[quote BelleSausage]@MarshaBradyo

I interpret the data to be more than one study done in another country with a different school system. Data should be taken as a whole. The more you have the better your conclusions.

One swallow does not a Summer make. The Aussies rowed back on their initial conclusions about schools.

And the PHE study was done while most schools were closed and the ones that were open were socially distanced.

Have you been inside a school since they reopened. The social distancing is zilch. Zero. How are my sixth formers and different to adults.

Answer: they are exactly the same except the CBA to mask wear and have the confidence that they are invincible. One had already tested positive for Covid.[/quote]
Yes I agree with you. The information is not conclusive. Meta studies can swing either way given how sparse the information is and how imperfect the studies are. We can’t do much with English June data, which I didn’t mention. There isn’t much else out there - Israel, Australia, France, China. Perhaps others I’ve forgotten.

I’m not suggesting you can draw conclusions as yet. More that people talking about what might be going on, and not automatically saying households and schools are the same etc, are not doing this because they are desperate to believe anything.

I’m undecided but trying to read as much as I can as it helps me decide what to do.

Do people still believe this person. Twisting rules to their advantage. Twisting facts to their advantage.

@MarshaBradyo

That’s fine. But that’s not how your original posts came across.

From the ground I can tell you that we had one positive test at beginning of last week but we’re advised that the student was probably not contagious in school so no one else was sent home. This week we have about 10% absence amongst staff and kids. This is rising. Not all can get tests.

So ids education is already suffering. This is why it is a shit system. It was designed to shut parents up and get them back to work, not to protect staff and kids or provide a long term, quality education.

[quote BelleSausage]@MarshaBradyo

That’s fine. But that’s not how your original posts came across.

From the ground I can tell you that we had one positive test at beginning of last week but we’re advised that the student was probably not contagious in school so no one else was sent home. This week we have about 10% absence amongst staff and kids. This is rising. Not all can get tests.

So ids education is already suffering. This is why it is a shit system. It was designed to shut parents up and get them back to work, not to protect staff and kids or provide a long term, quality education.[/quote]
Why? Because I mentioned only Israel? Honestly there’s not much else out there that is as good for various reasons. It’s the most similar to our conditions.

But I am open to reading information from any study, they are just so low in number.

Things have been deliberately done so it's not easy to isolate school transmission data from other data.

Eat out to help out - a great stimulus, wrong timing
Everyone back to work - disguises any true school data

Things have been deliberately done so it's not easy to isolate school transmission data from other data.

Oh yes, this with bells on

Why does someone always come on here and say this? As if it's a binary choice?

@CallmeAngelina, it's because they're a bit hard of thinking I suppose.

@MarshaBradyo

The government has pretty much blocked any data from school as they have refused to test anyone that is asymptomatic.

IMO testing in schools should be happening as standard.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-talking-children-families-about-returning-school-guiding-principles

This may be of interest.

If only we could have routine testing in schools, hospital, gps etc.

It’s the definition of a farce.

I’m back in school teaching 4 different year groups. Ploughing through corridors. Doing duties with whole year groups. Picking up litter. Smiling, being encouraging and reassuring regardless of my own beliefs etc etc.

But then you want to tell me it’s not safe to be in a garden with 5 other people? Get to fuck.

This bit in the RCPCH statement is ONLY true for situations which do not mirror the overcrowded UK school situation - smaller class sizes with more space.

"Children also appear to transmit COVID-19 less readily than adults; there have been very few reported COVID-19 outbreaks in nurseries or schools, either in countries like Denmark that reopened their schools early in the pandemic (15 April) and in Sweden and Iceland did not close their schools at all during the pandemic"

Also, Sweden did not monitor:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools

Lack of evidence because you didn't look for it is not the same as evidence of no transmission.

@ohthegoats

Things have been deliberately done so it's not easy to isolate school transmission data from other data.

Eat out to help out - a great stimulus, wrong timing
Everyone back to work - disguises any true school data

I think the timing was more to do with redundancy period. If they had waited businesses would have started the process to make people redundant before furlough ended. They need the stimulus to get people spending.

And when you get there fuck off some more. Can’t have Christmas dinner al fresco with my family but can be in a stuffy room with 30+ kids multiple times a day. Can’t sit with 5 people in the park but can go in a pub.

Nonsense and more nonsense. How can anyone have any trust in these idiots.

Apparently the teachers have changed what they say from 'you must socially distance' to 'social distance where possible'. So, knowing kids, how does that go? Then out of school they're playing together because they're in school together non SD - so why not?

But this 'where possible' is government advice. In June it was possible to socially distance because they were fewer pupils in schools; now it largely isn't.

I think part of the problem is that as so few schools (pretty much only the independents) did any proper teaching last term that kids missed out on so much and really do need to be back in.
Maybe if more teachers had been willing to live teach via google classroom or teams as I did almost full time in my school, there wouldn’t have have been such a learning gap and the argument for hybrid learning would have stood up far better. Much of the secondary provision I saw from my teaching friends in the state sector was non existent, sheets emailed and maybe a contact email here and there which doesn’t instil much confidence in remote schooling for the future.

Pretty much totally irrelevant to the OP but feel free just to come on and have a pop at your state school colleagues.

Yeah I will as the moaning is coming from them and some of us have been flat out, with a toddler, since March. I genuinely believe that if more kids had actually been educated last term then There would have been much less of a scramble to get all students back in sept

@shittingthreeeyedraven

I think part of the problem is that as so few schools (pretty much only the independents) did any proper teaching last term that kids missed out on so much and really do need to be back in. Maybe if more teachers had been willing to live teach via google classroom or teams as I did almost full time in my school, there wouldn’t have have been such a learning gap and the argument for hybrid learning would have stood up far better. Much of the secondary provision I saw from my teaching friends in the state sector was non existent, sheets emailed and maybe a contact email here and there which doesn’t instil much confidence in remote schooling for the future.

@shittingthreeeyedraven

Actually I teach in a state school and I taught ALL lessons live to timetable from the very first week of lockdown, had weekly form sessions live and held 2 parents evenings but feel free to disparage your fellow teachers.

Oh and I have 2 children who I homeschooled as well if you want to make it a competition.

Well done you @shittingthreeeyedraven. We bow to your evident superiority. We all sat on our feckless behinds drinking gin in our gardens.

@Piggywaspushed

Pretty much totally irrelevant to the OP but feel free just to come on and have a pop at your state school colleagues.

You got there first lol

I genuinely believe that if more kids had actually been educated last term then There would have been much less of a scramble to get all students back in sept

If the education of children was the priority of the government, then why did they open primary schools full time for selected year groups in June, and fuck-all for the other year groups?

Because it looks like getting parents back to work was, and continues to be the priority. I don't think they give a fuck about the quality of education (or they'd fund schools better) and getting secondary schools back was pretty much an afterthought.

So I genuinely believe that teachers could have taught via zoom till the cows came home and the govt would have still forced schools back full time.