Oh everything is such a mess.......

[frozendaisy]

.......come on vaccine.

I try and not live with blind hope but every time any vague positive news comes out about vaccine progress I start, with absolutely no professional knowledge, calculating when a vaccine will be rolled out! Dumb I know.

Everything is such a mess, schools, health, jobs, leisure, life plans, progress, fun, travel, exercise, choices, freedom.

Trivial I know, but I don't want to be at home over Christmas baking bread I want to go to our local panto and small theatre and Christmas fun fair and a bustling social pub. I mean I will make the most of baking bread but I don't want to be old mother fucking hubbard, I quite like people.

Trivial shit I know in the grand scheme of things.

Theatres being closed is the only thing I find mildly frustrating at the moment. And Winter Wonderland being cancelled.

Everything else is fine, we can work around/ignore the six people thing. I'm still at work though, and have been all along. Perhaps that influences my outlook.

If I had a relative in a care home I'd be raging, but luckily I haven't.

I do amateur theatre and missing it so much, almost to the point of my mental health suffering .

Sorry but there won't be a vaccine anytime soon, these things take time to research, license, manufacture and distribute. Mid-2021 is best case, assuming they work. Just in case you were hoping pre-Christmas!

When a vaccine comes, it won't be a silver bullet. It will be like wearing masks. It will make things a little better. It won't fix everything.

@Scottishgirl85

Sorry but there won't be a vaccine anytime soon, these things take time to research, license, manufacture and distribute. Mid-2021 is best case, assuming they work. Just in case you were hoping pre-Christmas!

Sorry but are you a scientist working on it ? You don't know anymore than us !!! Op is clearly anxious like myself .

Op take each day I am feeling like yourself try and stay positive

@Scottishgirl85

Sorry but there won't be a vaccine anytime soon, these things take time to research, license, manufacture and distribute. Mid-2021 is best case, assuming they work. Just in case you were hoping pre-Christmas!

And you know this how, exactly?

@ellsbells12 Yes I am There are numerous companies, with a few front runners. We need several vaccines to be successful. Mid 2021 is a best estimate based on the stage of research, but nothing is guaranteed so early in Phase 3.

[quote Scottishgirl85]@ellsbells12 Yes I am There are numerous companies, with a few front runners. We need several vaccines to be successful. Mid 2021 is a best estimate based on the stage of research, but nothing is guaranteed so early in Phase 3.[/quote]
Then I've got nothing to be here for. Because I can't live with all these restrictions for much longer.

@Scottishgirl85

Sorry but there won't be a vaccine anytime soon, these things take time to research, license, manufacture and distribute. Mid-2021 is best case, assuming they work. Just in case you were hoping pre-Christmas!

That’s not actually the case, though, is it? Manufacturing at risk means doses ready to go; possibility of emergency use authorisation & equivalents mean a vaccine with convincing data could be rolled out ahead of Phase 3 completion, at least to some people.

Of course it’s not guaranteed and can’t be guaranteed, but there’s a reason for those optimistic timeframes.

They are working as fast as they can on a vaccine but there are some shortcuts they simply can't take (due to patient safety & needing to study the efficacy of the vaccine)

www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/vaccine-development-barriers-coronavirus/
On Netflix there is a documentary on the Corona Virus that goes through the stages of vaccine development.

Of course it's still disappointing that panto and christmas fairs won't run as usual this year.

@kittensarecute I'm sorry you are having such a hard time. If it's getting a but tricky to cope with maybe you should have a chat to your GP about how you are feeling

[quote Mumratheevergiving]@kittensarecute I'm sorry you are having such a hard time. If it's getting a but tricky to cope with maybe you should have a chat to your GP about how you are feeling [/quote]
Thank you. I have and am getting help.

@kittensarecute me too I literally feel I can't live like this anymore with no end date in sight

@kittensarecute

No nativity plays at primary school is making me more sad :(

I listened to The Life Scientific on R4 this morning. It featured Sarah Gilbert, a scientist working on a vaccine. She actually said a vaccine may be available late 2019/early 2020. So don’t lose hope everyone!

They are working as fast as they can on a vaccine but there are some shortcuts they simply can't take (due to patient safety & needing to study the efficacy of the vaccine)

Yes - and rightly so - or they’d be rolling one out now. But there is still pretty good reason to hope for a vaccine starting roll-out here in the next few months.

Honestly the vaccine development is one of the few things in this whole hell show that has actually gone better than anticipated. It doesn’t look (so far) like a particularly hard virus to vaccinate against, we have some promising data from the earlier trials, and we have trials getting set up at really impressive unprecedented speed. The pharma companies saying they aim to be requesting approval by then might be looking on the bright side but they aren’t just pulling this out of their arse.

It's just the endlessness of it all. When will it end.

I know I'm luckier than many, as I'm still in work, but life seems on hold for the foreseeable.

@LizzieSiddal

I listened to The Life Scientific on R4 this morning. It featured Sarah Gilbert, a scientist working on a vaccine. She actually said a vaccine may be available late 2019/early 2020. So don’t lose hope everyone!

Available as in its passed the trials, or available as in I can book in to get it ar the GP next week? Look what happened when testing became 'available '

@LizzieSiddal

I listened to The Life Scientific on R4 this morning. It featured Sarah Gilbert, a scientist working on a vaccine. She actually said a vaccine may be available late 2019/early 2020. So don’t lose hope everyone!

Are you quite sure about that?

Really?

A vaccine in early 2020 would have been most helpful!

I know what you mean, op. I feel like I could cope much better with things if it felt like there was an end in sight.

@LizzieSiddal if we’d had a vaccine by then this year would have been considerably better😁

Try not to look too far ahead. For now, we know there is progress, both on the vaccine front and in treating the disease. It's coming and this year will become a memory.

If you have not done so to date, lower your expectations of any central Government competence. At this stage, I would be more surprised if something went right and they actually kept their word.

Another one saying listen to Sarah Gilbert on the Life Scientific on Radio 4 ( repeated this evening at 21.30 hrs). She was cautious and very measured but there seems to be real hope.

The times we live in are indeed dire. There is hope though. People are helping at grassroots level, by running food banks and so on. It's not the End Times.