Oh everything is such a mess.......

[frozendaisy]

.......come on vaccine.

I try and not live with blind hope but every time any vague positive news comes out about vaccine progress I start, with absolutely no professional knowledge, calculating when a vaccine will be rolled out! Dumb I know.

Everything is such a mess, schools, health, jobs, leisure, life plans, progress, fun, travel, exercise, choices, freedom.

Trivial I know, but I don't want to be at home over Christmas baking bread I want to go to our local panto and small theatre and Christmas fun fair and a bustling social pub. I mean I will make the most of baking bread but I don't want to be old mother fucking hubbard, I quite like people.

Trivial shit I know in the grand scheme of things.

I have an elderly parent in a care home, an elderly mother living alone and isolated, still attempting to work from home amidst 4 other people in a flat, mental health taking a canning and today had diagnosis of fibromyalgia confirmed. 2020 has just about broken me

today had diagnosis of fibromyalgia confirmed. 2020 has just about broken me
I'm so sorry dementedma this is a huge amount to deal with

This is the screenshot I took yesterday - I don't get it either.

This sorry

Full of doom aren’t they. I wish people going on about “learning to live with it” would explain how exactly this will work without cases and deaths going up.

@windyautumn

I was doing ok until that report yesterday I think about the WHO saying they are drawing up a 5 year plan for dealing with covid because a vaccine won't sort things out, just 'help' and my stomach bottomed out. Naively I assumed the vaccine if it came would get things back to normal again.

That’s because it takes a long time to do a vaccine roll-out around the globe. Lots of poor countries that can’t afford to throw a fortune into buying vaccines and don’t have the infrastructure to roll out the vaccination programme easily. Rich countries will be fine, but WHO has to think about everyone else as well.

Well I hope they are working out how to educate pupils, especially in the top 5 years of schools, if they are sending home 200-300 pupils for each positive case from now on

@frozendaisy the wee things that give life a bit of variety and joy may seem trivial but they’re not. What’s life without happiness and connection? I get it

@Lemons1571

Full of doom aren’t they. I wish people going on about “learning to live with it” would explain how exactly this will work without cases and deaths going up.

I agree. I hate 'learn to live with it' without a HOW we will do that! It's just words otherwise.

@GoldenOmber thanks, that makes sense.

I'm not expecting any one of the vaccines to be rolled out to all and sundry much before mid 2021; in fact that would be fantastic. However, if they could categorically say that vaccine(s) were safe and efficacious in the next few weeks then at least we'd have something to be aiming for. That's the main thing that I (and a lot of other people?) find hard; the endless nature of this.

Bearing in mind the 2 week self isolation required each time one person in a huge 200-300 oerson bubble tests positive is worse tham lockdow, you can't even go out to exercise, unless the government take another look at secondaries and sixth forms, our DC look likely to be spending the autumn, winter and spring largely inside at home.
I don't think that is learning to live with it.

@frozendaisy I feel the same. I had a complete breakdown in June and am having therapy to just get up each morning. A vaccine that works and is safe is my main hope at the moment. I miss my old life so badly.

@Newjez

When a vaccine comes, it won't be a silver bullet. It will be like wearing masks. It will make things a little better. It won't fix everything.

It will be nothing like wearing masks. Even if you need to vaccinate every year, it will make things much much better. It will mean we genuinely can go back to normal and treat it like annual flu. It absolutely will fix everything if it works.

I’m sorry to all those having a shit time I’m one of them.

People don’t seem to realise that COVID (like flu) is a virus that mutates, so it won’t be “a” vaccine it will be multiple vaccines (possibly forever), and I really don’t know how that’s going to work

Thank you heffa that was kind of you

So Hans Kluge is essentially saying the pandemic is never going to end, but it will end once we learn to live with it not ending...

Op, I agree with you. I love being at home with just my family. We spend many winter days doing nothing, watching films, snuggling under blankets, eating home baking. We also put in some long walks to the pub with friends to break it up a bit, on dry and clear days. That’s a no go now. Christmas is normally fantastic, socialising, theatre, family get together, our friends and their families getting together, Just enjoying being together.

My eldest dc was going on about happy they were that we wouldn’t be going to church on Christmas Eve, until I pointed out there would also be no traditional pub lunch with our friends either. She hadn’t appreciated just how much we have lost.

The next 6 months are going to be shit.

@BooFuckingHoo2

I’m sorry to all those having a shit time I’m one of them.

People don’t seem to realise that COVID (like flu) is a virus that mutates, so it won’t be “a” vaccine it will be multiple vaccines (possibly forever), and I really don’t know how that’s going to work

Coronavirus is virus and they all mutate to some extent but,CV viruses generally mutate much less than flu . Flu is a fast mutating virus. Not all are

[quote mrshonda]**@frozendaisy I feel the same. I had a complete breakdown in June and am having therapy to just get up each morning. A vaccine that works and is safe is my main hope at the moment. I miss my old life so badly.[/quote]
June was terrible here ........seems I needed replacement hormones to feel vaguely human

I’ve been following in detail, given the fact they obviously want to ensure safety I haven’t read any scientists who think there’ll be a vaccine before Spring next year. Unless you go to Russia or China perhaps.

Please let there be a vaccine early 2021 my wedding is rebooked for July in Greece also please don’t let the gyms close again I can’t deal with piling on more lockdown pounds when I’ve just rejoined a gym!! Again trivial things but I need focus and my wedding was that prior to this shit show!! X

[quote Ellsbells12]@TheDailyCarbuncle what you think it will mutate to be like a cold ? [/quote]
No, I don't think it will mutate to be like a cold. I think the actual data that's already available to show how covid spreads, who it affects, its fatality rate etc, will finally be analysed properly to show that, while it is very dangerous for some, it is not a problem for most people and the measures that have been taken are not only disproportionate, they are pointless and detrimental and just not worth it. Covid doesn't warrant the mass use of a vaccine. It just doesn't.

@Lemons1571

Full of doom aren’t they. I wish people going on about “learning to live with it” would explain how exactly this will work without cases and deaths going up.

We are 'living with it' now, just in a shit, pointless way. Short of nailing everyone into their houses for a month, there is no alternative except to live with it - it's going to keep spreading no matter what we do.

How could the first lockdown by considered disproportionate in any way? We only just stopped the NHS from being overwhelmed in some parts of the country and that was with all essential other services stopped. Even if it has the same death rate as flu it is presumed that hardly anyone has resistance to it so you could have hundreds of thousands of sick people in a short space of time. Society would grind to a halt. Our so called ‘world beating’ NHS can barely cope worth a bad flu season. Utter nonsense.

And you think that if we stopped all measure now and carried on as normal we would have a functioning health system in a few weeks? Or any sort of education for our children? Rubbish collected? Enough food in the shops? Enough petrol? Cloud cuckoo land