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Oh everything is such a mess.......

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frozendaisy · 15/09/2020 10:22

.......come on vaccine.

I try and not live with blind hope but every time any vague positive news comes out about vaccine progress I start, with absolutely no professional knowledge, calculating when a vaccine will be rolled out! Dumb I know.

Everything is such a mess, schools, health, jobs, leisure, life plans, progress, fun, travel, exercise, choices, freedom.

Trivial I know, but I don't want to be at home over Christmas baking bread I want to go to our local panto and small theatre and Christmas fun fair and a bustling social pub. I mean I will make the most of baking bread but I don't want to be old mother fucking hubbard, I quite like people.

Trivial shit I know in the grand scheme of things.

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ReefTeeth · 15/09/2020 14:00

Well of course they're being more positive in their narrative to Joe Public. Just look at the comments from pp who aren't coping.

There will be lots feeling the same. If they came out and said mid 2021 at the earliest, there would be a lot of suicides imo.

I'm in Melbourne, going through a second lockdown, with a curfew, homeschooling, and recently started a new job.

It's tough, I absolutely get that. But the answer isn't to throw open everything and 'learn to live' with this virus how we previously lived.

We need to learn how to live with the virus in this new world. We will get a vaccine, but these things take time.

FourTeaFallOut · 15/09/2020 14:11

I think not getting dragged around pantos, over priced santa experiences, table top Christmas school fairs filled with unhygienic cakes baked at a loss and another tour of mc-christmas market stalls, identical up and down the land, will be the redeeming feature of this shit show. Bah Humbug.

All I want for Christmas is a covid vaccine.

Diddlysquatters · 15/09/2020 14:14

@LizzieSiddal

I listened to The Life Scientific on R4 this morning. It featured Sarah Gilbert, a scientist working on a vaccine. She actually said a vaccine may be available late 2019/early 2020. So don’t lose hope everyone!
Wtf?! I know I’ve been hoping 2020 has just been a dream so far but please don’t tell me we’re still in 2019!
Diddlysquatters · 15/09/2020 14:16

There is zero chance of enough people being vaccinated by Christmas for things to be anything like normal. Look at the testing fiasco.
But some concrete news that one is on the way would be a good Christmas present

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frozendaisy · 15/09/2020 14:17

Oh I know a vaccine takes ages usually, I am so impressed at how fast the research teams have brought what they have to trails. I know it has to be safe and I just hope beyond hope that the tests moving in 3rd level trails just work. Even if the vaccine can only reduce the worse symptoms in some.

And I understand that no research facility will release a dodgy vaccine, why should they.

I just have this mindless desire, fingers crossed type thing, almost resorted to praying! Please please please work ..........and this isn't my usual go to attitude!

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Furrybutts · 15/09/2020 14:18

I feel everyone's upset
I'm part of the swinging community and we have been told not to expect our clubs to open this side of 2023.
It might sound trivial in the scheme of things, but this is a whole lifestyle to us :-(

Hereinthesticks · 15/09/2020 14:26

She actually said a vaccine may be available late 2019/early 2020
Presumably 2020/2021 - which I think is possible (do work in a related area). But will the government buy enough for everyone? Or only the very vulnerable and frontline workers? I know there are statistics about how many the government have bought, but it is still not enough for everyone.
Most of those posting on here about how they are living for a vaccine (me too) won't actually qualify for any of the priority rounds of vaccination. We need to find a way to make the government see that they need to vaccinate everyone who wants a vaccine asap.
I don't have faith in a government that 2 months to prepare and buy PPE and tests in Jan and Feb and didn't. Then had all summer to prepare and buy tests for the predictable huge increase in demand when schools went back. and didn't.
What does their track record of spending on public health suggest will happen with the vaccine? Third time lucky? I really hope so.

Hereinthesticks · 15/09/2020 14:29

All I want for Christmas is a covid vaccine. yes, agree, and very well put. Now I have the catchy phrase stuck in my head until 25 Dec.

Seriouslymole · 15/09/2020 14:35

@jellyfishdoodoodoo

No nativity plays at primary school is making me more sad :(
That's about the only thing that is positive for me out of this whole debacle - I hate all the Christmas crap at school. Oh and that and not have to kiss business colleagues (European company, French ethos = kissing - I bloody hate it). Two positives and whole shitload of negatives.

My poor DS started year 7 with no changes of classrooms allowed at all - so no going to different rooms for science or anything of the type. Depressing.

YoshimisMum · 15/09/2020 15:41

@Hereinthesticks
Based on our population of 66million it looks though we have purchased enough doses. Though, I think I read that it may be the Oxford/Astra/Zeneka one needs two doses? Still 50 million people vaccinated would surely cover the vulnerable/elderly/front line workers and more. Hopefully, this may be the one thing the government has got right!
Whether all the doses will be available at the same time as approval is given, along with the distribution/vaccination is another thing. I would be so angry if it was ready to go and stockpiled but they hadn't planned on how to get it out there!

Oh everything is such a mess.......
Mumratheevergiving · 15/09/2020 15:51

@Seriouslymole I was just thinking the other day how glad I am that we have to keep our distance when we see people, I was never a fan of the air kiss embrace especially when it went from 2-3!

Also glad some of my kids after school activities haven’t resumed, it’s nice not charging around and sorting kits every night. Though also great to see them back enjoying those that have restarted.

Schools may live stream nativity or dvd record it so you can watch it at your leisure with a glass of wine rather than in a packed hall 6 rows back with an overzealous granny that keeps standing up in front of you.

Blownaway1 · 15/09/2020 15:55

I’m sure I read somewhere that as part of the agreement countries are signing up to any one country won’t be given enough to vaccinate more than 20% of it’s population before all the countries in the agreement have enough for 20%. To stop wealthy countries buying it all up. I’ll try and find the source to link to.

Blownaway1 · 15/09/2020 16:05

I should have said my point is even if the vaccine is approved in the next couple of months this reads like it’s going to be quite a slow process getting it to everyone so likely to still be restrictions for quite a while.

LeSquigh · 15/09/2020 16:08

@Scottishgirl85 can I ask a question please?

I have no medical background at all and something is really confusing me - we know that there are a lot of what we’re confirmed cases that do not show antibodies or do but then don’t upon later testing. If antibodies aren’t sticking around how would a vaccination ever work? Isn’t the point of a vaccination that it gives you antibodies/similar to stop you being able to catch something again but if they wear off so quickly how will a vaccination ever work? And in addition, if there are so many different strains (again I’m not sure if this is true) how do you vaccinate against all types or is it like flu where you get what is thought to be the most likely variant but you still have risk of the other variants?

TheDailyCarbuncle · 15/09/2020 16:11

OP I don't think there'll be any point at which a vaccine is widely available and I think that's actually a good thing because it'll get to a point where the virus is at such low levels and killing so few people that a vaccine doesn't make sense from a financial or risk viewpoint. They may keep the vaccine research going in the background in case of a resurgence or mutation but I don't think the mass roll-out of an emergency vaccine is ever going to happen.

I could explain why I think all this but I can't really be bothered rehashing all the same arguments again, people don't listen and find reasons to disagree that aren't based on anything factual. Disagree with me if you want, that's just my educated opinion. It may help to point out that I've predicted literally everything else that's happened in this situation so far.

Newjez · 15/09/2020 16:40

@TheDailyCarbuncle

OP I don't think there'll be any point at which a vaccine is widely available and I think that's actually a good thing because it'll get to a point where the virus is at such low levels and killing so few people that a vaccine doesn't make sense from a financial or risk viewpoint. They may keep the vaccine research going in the background in case of a resurgence or mutation but I don't think the mass roll-out of an emergency vaccine is ever going to happen.

I could explain why I think all this but I can't really be bothered rehashing all the same arguments again, people don't listen and find reasons to disagree that aren't based on anything factual. Disagree with me if you want, that's just my educated opinion. It may help to point out that I've predicted literally everything else that's happened in this situation so far.

You ray of sunshine.

I understand there will be failures, but the sheer effort being thrown at this.

Do you really think no?

TheDailyCarbuncle · 15/09/2020 16:43

I absolutely 100% think it, @Newjez, yes, but it's not a negative thing - as I said, I don't think it'll happen because it just won't be necessary.

TheDailyCarbuncle · 15/09/2020 16:48

Not having a vaccine because the virus has stabilised to the point where a vaccine isn't necessary is a far, far more positive outcome than billions being spent on the mass use of a vaccine that has gone through only 6-9 months of testing. A vaccine should be seen a dire necessity, not as a goal.

wherestheotherone · 15/09/2020 16:56

I'm trying to see it in a very different way. A vaccine is very very likely to come and it be here faster than ever before. It may not be weeks away but I there is so much good science going on that after this hell of a Pandemic the world will be different!

We are learning all the time about the nature of a modern day pandemic and we have come do far. We now have treatments and medical staff who are experienced in testing covid. We didn't have any of this 6 months ago. Just think where we might be in another 6 months! It's likely we will have treatments, we possibly will have a vaccine if not then a date and an idea of when.

We are learning to live with it. We have tests we never had (if you can get one but that has to improve soon!).

There is positive in all of this. Difficult to see maybe but it does exist.

Ellsbells12 · 15/09/2020 17:43

@TheDailyCarbuncle what you think it will mutate to be like a cold ?

windyautumn · 15/09/2020 18:06

I was doing ok until that report yesterday I think about the WHO saying they are drawing up a 5 year plan for dealing with covid because a vaccine won't sort things out, just 'help' and my stomach bottomed out. Naively I assumed the vaccine if it came would get things back to normal again.

Ellsbells12 · 15/09/2020 18:21

@windyautumn

I was doing ok until that report yesterday I think about the WHO saying they are drawing up a 5 year plan for dealing with covid because a vaccine won't sort things out, just 'help' and my stomach bottomed out. Naively I assumed the vaccine if it came would get things back to normal again.
I don't think the economy will Survive that and I think they are looking at worse case to be honest why would a vaccine not sort it ? This is just one big nightmare
Heffalooomia · 15/09/2020 18:22

@TheDailyCarbuncle

OP I don't think there'll be any point at which a vaccine is widely available and I think that's actually a good thing because it'll get to a point where the virus is at such low levels and killing so few people that a vaccine doesn't make sense from a financial or risk viewpoint. They may keep the vaccine research going in the background in case of a resurgence or mutation but I don't think the mass roll-out of an emergency vaccine is ever going to happen.

I could explain why I think all this but I can't really be bothered rehashing all the same arguments again, people don't listen and find reasons to disagree that aren't based on anything factual. Disagree with me if you want, that's just my educated opinion. It may help to point out that I've predicted literally everything else that's happened in this situation so far.

I'm not privvy to your reasons but am inclined to agree!
Lemons1571 · 15/09/2020 18:24

That doesn’t make sense. A vaccine that has gone through trials, works, administered to everyone, but this doesn’t sort the problem?