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Should we have a full lockdown briefly now to slow down rises

314 replies

Worriedmum999 · 14/09/2020 15:30

Just musing really. Would it be better to have a few weeks of full lockdown now while furlough is still ongoing rather than needing to do one in a month or so as an emergency when 1000 people are dying every day, having to extend furlough etc.

If it’s planned then people can prep for it. Make it a really strict one. Have minimum shops open for emergencies with strict distancing. School well prepared to teach online for 2 weeks.

Might this give us the time to sort the testing backlog and increase them as promised? Give everyone the short sharp shock they need to take distancing/masks seriously again then reopen with clearer rules

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TorkTorkBam · 17/09/2020 11:56

Lockdown isn't protection for all though is it?

You will still expect the service workers to get their arses into work to serve you during your nice middle class lockdown.

You will expect to get shopping delivered, the shop to have food on the shelves, the electricity to your house to run, the police to police, nurses to nurse, carers to care, PPE factories to keep making PPE, I bet you'll even expect to order whatever you want off Amazon and have it appear like magic.

Fololomolo · 17/09/2020 11:57

But if the nhs is overwhelmed so we run out of beds? Or too many staff are off sick? Or too many teachers are isolating to run schools? These things force a lockdown regardless of making any decisions to have one, it almost happens by default anyway.

Miraculous · 17/09/2020 12:00

@TorkTorkBam

Lockdown isn't protection for all though is it?

You will still expect the service workers to get their arses into work to serve you during your nice middle class lockdown.

You will expect to get shopping delivered, the shop to have food on the shelves, the electricity to your house to run, the police to police, nurses to nurse, carers to care, PPE factories to keep making PPE, I bet you'll even expect to order whatever you want off Amazon and have it appear like magic.

Very good point @TorkTorkBam. People who support another lockdown don’t mean that the people who exist to make their lives more convenient should lock down. Of course not.
Pan2 · 17/09/2020 12:02

No to 2nd national lockdown. The rates of infection are very varied in different parts of the country. There is no need to lock down, say Derbyshire, because the NE or Wales have concerning rates.

As with most health issues, these things are best managed locally.

TorkTorkBam · 17/09/2020 12:07

The UK is not one homogenous lump.

Warrington needs local people to be exceptionally careful about transmission at the moment as it is a hotspot and those people there have been crap at behaving in ways that reduce transmission.

Wycombe needs people to be about as careful as they have been being. Wycombe people are behaving in ways that are successfully keeping transmission low.

A set of blanket UK rules that cover the middle ground between what Warrington and Wycombe need will serve neither well. If you go with the strictest then that's not appropriate either. Why should Wycombe people be restricted further when they were doing enough already?

Local solutions for local outbreaks tackling the underlying reasons in that area.

Quartz2208 · 17/09/2020 12:14

exactly @TorkTorkBam and a national lockdown again now makes they look like the incompetent fools they are.

We had to do a national lockdown the first time round (although personally I think London should have locked down first). This time we shouldnt be.

user68901 · 17/09/2020 12:31

@ParadiseLaundry

First they said it was to slow the cases to give them time to set up Nightingale Hospitals, protect the NHS. They achieved that in a few weeks.

Then they said they needed to flatten the curve. That happened.

Then they said we need the death count to reduce. That happened.

Then they needed the R rate to be below one.

Then they started counting the amount of infections instead of death rate because the numbers sound scarier.

Enough of all of this already.

100%
Rubybluesy · 18/09/2020 00:33

No no no

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Worriedmum999 · 18/09/2020 00:35

Well, you’ll be having a longer one in a month or so then Hmm

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Namenic · 18/09/2020 00:43

Yes - if we do it now, numbers overall will be lower and less long term disruption. Isn’t that the problem with the first lockdown - people left it too late?

WhentheDealGoesDown1 · 18/09/2020 05:45

OP seems absolutely determined to have a lockdown, why would anyone want one so much. I suggest that you lock yourself down OP , switch off the telly, get off the internet then imagine that everyone is locked down.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 18/09/2020 05:50

Good lord. Only if you want to destroy the country for good.

What will you do in two weeks time?

EmmaWithTheGreatHair · 18/09/2020 11:26

I think they’ll possibly do something to give them time to sort out the utter shambles that is, testing (or lack of)!

HesterShaw1 · 18/09/2020 11:42

@EmmaWithTheGreatHair

I think they’ll possibly do something to give them time to sort out the utter shambles that is, testing (or lack of)!
They've just had six bloody months! What more do they want us to give to mask their incompetence?
Miraculous · 18/09/2020 11:43

FFS if they can’t figure out a competent testing system in 6 months they’re not going to manage it in 2 weeks are they?

HeIenaDove · 18/09/2020 14:49

Exactly. 2 weeks will become three months.

MarshaBradyo · 18/09/2020 14:51

Stumping up more furlough / grants right now will be huge. If some sectors completely close.

Schools / businesses open with earlier closing for pubs, not so bad

BeyondMyWits · 18/09/2020 15:02

my daughter and her cohort have been through the shitshow that was Alevels 2020. She is taking one of her exams in order to improve the grade "given" to her by the teacher who was never there (other subjects fine).

She has been studying 6 hours a day every day towards this. If they fuck up exam schedules again by locking down again - she (and I) (and MANY others) will be absolutely incandescent.

so lets hope schools stay open!

MissEliza · 18/09/2020 15:14

@TorkTorkBam

The UK is not one homogenous lump.

Warrington needs local people to be exceptionally careful about transmission at the moment as it is a hotspot and those people there have been crap at behaving in ways that reduce transmission.

Wycombe needs people to be about as careful as they have been being. Wycombe people are behaving in ways that are successfully keeping transmission low.

A set of blanket UK rules that cover the middle ground between what Warrington and Wycombe need will serve neither well. If you go with the strictest then that's not appropriate either. Why should Wycombe people be restricted further when they were doing enough already?

Local solutions for local outbreaks tackling the underlying reasons in that area.

Exactly. One of the elements of mismanagement of this shitshow has been an incredibly centralised approach. My df worked for the health board, as it was called years ago, and if they had any concerns about outbreaks of diseases, they would literally knock door to door to warn and advise people. This should haven't been done in March and April, particularly with communities who may not fully understand due to language barriers.
trappedsincesundaymorn · 18/09/2020 16:03

If you want to lock down OP crack on, fill your boots, nobody's stopping you. Those of us that don't will asses our own risks to both ourselves and others as we are doing now. The same as we did when the flu vaccine failed in 2018 and thousands of people died (no lock down then), or when a bad bout of norovirus hits care homes and hospitals (again no lock down, just self assessment of the risks involved). This virus will always be here in one form or another, the sooner some realise that the better.

RedToothBrush · 18/09/2020 17:21

@TorkTorkBam

Lockdown isn't protection for all though is it?

You will still expect the service workers to get their arses into work to serve you during your nice middle class lockdown.

You will expect to get shopping delivered, the shop to have food on the shelves, the electricity to your house to run, the police to police, nurses to nurse, carers to care, PPE factories to keep making PPE, I bet you'll even expect to order whatever you want off Amazon and have it appear like magic.

Re "middle class lockdown" its now crossed a threshold where a lot of homeworkers are really starting to struggle with the isolation of it and the effect on their mental health.

Local lockdowns where you can't see anyone and can't do anything with anyone outside your household isn't the safe thing it might have seemed back in April.

There is a certain envy creeping in of people who are going to work and having social contact there.

There are several companies now coming out and saying that it is actively harming their staff and its not the idealistic safe space that has been made out by some.

I think this fatigue will be a factor in the level of compliance with restrictions tbh.

Worriedmum999 · 18/09/2020 20:27

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HeIenaDove · 18/09/2020 20:39

Why are you grinning

Puppyinmypocketwasthebest · 18/09/2020 20:43

Yes, why grinning? The whole situation is awful for so many people

Waxonwaxoff0 · 18/09/2020 20:50

Why would people have egg on their faces? If there is a lockdown, it won't work and it will just plunge more people into poverty.